your probably using a bow or delta kite, you need a c kite

kernal said..
your probably using a bow or delta kite, you need a c kite

Not always the case.

The newer North Evos for example loop really nice.

And there are plenty of others

If you know your kite a.b. or c doesnt matter... in a good gust, pull your loop 3/4 the way up while you have full power..
Thats what speeds your kite back to 12.

When youve got that down.- learn to steer the kite around, not just yank the bar... that gives you powerful horizontal loops where you superman that hard, the lines go slack :o just before you drop like a brick... Oh yeahhhh

Matt988 said..
I'm at a similar stage. I learnt to back roll kiteloop before I could do a normal kite loop (still learning normal ones) assuming the jump is high enough the one thousand two thousand count then pull works rather than waiting to be at the top. with the back roll kite loop the timing just comes from being half way round the back roll, you just pull the bar to get the loop of the kite to pull you the rest of the way around.

Yea i learnt backroll kiteloops years ago. they generally only get done a few meters off the water coz if u try boost one its a hectik harsh landing. i can do backloop handplants with a loop and darkslides with a loop but they are more of a downloop than a powered kiteloop.

SaveTheWhales said..
If you know your kite a.b. or c doesnt matter... in a good gust, pull your loop 3/4 the way up while you have full power..
Thats what speeds your kite back to 12.

When youve got that down.- learn to steer the kite around, not just yank the bar... that gives you powerful horizontal loops where you superman that hard, the lines go slack :o just before you drop like a brick... Oh yeahhhh

Yea thats what i wanted to know. ive been waiting till i was right near the top so i had the most air in the hope that it would give the kite more time to get round and back to the top but it doesnt seem to loop as fast when i do that. if i pull the trigher at the 3/4 way up will the power of the loop give me more air? i know that if u pull the bar when ur going up it loops with way more power. ive been running a 9m core riot xr3 when ive been trying them but ive got a core gts3 9m now to which is more of a bridled c shape that turns super fast. so defs need to pull the bar when im 3/4 n on the way up not at the top. ill give that a go next time i got some flat water n 25 knots. i have landed a few nicely but have landed way more not so nicely lol

were you trying these at the pond on sunday?

Try a 7m in stronger wind

Woott said..

anyway at the moment im waiting till im right near the top of the jump before i pull on my back hand, the kite doesnt always pull me to the hectik superman position but it loops n feels like im swinging on a rope swing lol im just wondering should i be pulling the back hand earlier than near the top of the jump?

exactly that! start pulling WAY earlier and find the right timing. you need maximum tension in the lined before triggering the loop.

Ok cool ill give that a go next time if there's enough wind. thanks

Line tension is key. Although this may sound paradoxical, try loading slightly less (slightly less upwind angle) than normal...this will give you some forward momentum in the direction of travel..which opposes the kite being looped in the opposite direction (equals more line load). This way you face in the direction you are were travelling, then as and only as the loop pulls you through, then face the kite. Or more accurately probably it makes you leave the water a little earlier...

Also if you are looping a kite that's not a full blown C, then try leaving the water slightly earlier...hence the kite is still moving through 12 as you are in the air and commencing the loop (equals line load). So the kite actually doesn't stop moving...goes through 12... then pull the loop.

Say....'jump (your release point), one thousand...pull' Then eventually "release, pull". Remove the one thousand count. Eventually you won't count at all, but at least it quantifies it a bit. Worked for me anyway.

Also as someone said, follow the kite around the loop...don't just 'wang' the bar (equals more consistent line load).

Also...as someone a said be mindful (which is hard when learning when you freak out during the loop) to depower as you come in from the pendulum...

this allows the kite kite to get further over your head, which in turn creates a less powerful and faster downloop to catch you. Instead of the downloop happening in front of you, it happens like a heli loop above your head...and as it shoots well above your head (creates some line load).

If I can loop a 10m rebel in 25 to 30 knots, you can do it as well!

line load.

...and to complete...no matter how hard you try sometimes you just come on super hot. Especially if you are looping in the winds you should be looping in. Land facing straight downwind...landing toeside almost.

Ride it put and be prepared to actually ride it out on your toes, riding the other way you came in...which again works counter to the downloop (hence...you guessed it...line load).

DaineB said..

eppo said..
Line tension is key. Although this may sound paradoxical, try loading slightly less (slightly less upwind angle) than normal...this will give you some forward momentum in the direction of travel..which opposes the kite being looped in the opposite direction (equals more line load). This way you face in the direction you are were travelling, then as and only as the loop pulls you through, then face the kite. Or more accurately probably it makes you leave the water a little earlier...

Also if you are looping a kite that's not a full blown C, then try leaving the water slightly earlier...hence the kite is still moving through 12 as you are in the air and commencing the loop (equals line load). So the kite actually doesn't stop moving...goes through 12... then pull the loop.

Say....'jump (your release point), one thousand...pull' Then eventually "release, pull". Remove the one thousand count. Eventually you won't count at all, but at least it quantifies it a bit. Worked for me anyway.

Also as someone said, follow the kite around the loop...don't just 'wang' the bar (equals more consistent line load).

Also...as someone a said be mindful (which is hard when learning when you freak out during the loop) to depower as you come in from the pendulum...

this allows the kite kite to get further over your head, which in turn creates a less powerful and faster downloop to catch you. Instead of the downloop happening in front of you, it happens like a heli loop above your head...and as it shoots well above your head (creates some line load).

If I can loop a 10m rebel in 25 to 30 knots, you can do it as well!

line load.

...and to complete...no matter how hard you try sometimes you just come on super hot. Especially if you are looping in the winds you should be looping in. Land facing straight downwind...landing toeside almost.

Ride it put and be prepared to actually ride it out on your toes, riding the other way you came in...which again works counter to the downloop (hence...you guessed it...line load).

What would be the minimum wind speed u would be able to do a powered loop in and still have the kite catch you eppo? on ur 10m rebel?

Honestly probably 20 knots. But getting the downloop back around is hit and miss. Then again the rebel doesn't really need the downloop to land soft, it gets well above your head anyway. But it does keep the kite in front of you if you come in too hot.

But it to be frank if you are serious about loops as obvious as it sounds, the rebels not your answer.

Loops are pretty soft, unless in 25 plus where you get some serious power and height..and you seriously pull not far off of the release, it does lack that real gut punch most look for. But it does other things so I put up with it.

Everythings a compromise and if those marketing wankers try and say otherwise run for the hills.

9m evo in 25 is a sick looping kite, but even that won't give you the yank the hybrid to full Cs will give you.

Be honest best looping kite I've been on is the torch...only naish kite I really liked to be hoenst. But damn that mother bangs through the loop.

I've just started doing powered loops.
20kn on my 12m is my threshold.

i do exactly what eppo said.
send it, take off , one thousand and pull the trigger on 2 thousand!

i had my first session staying upwind (no walk of shame last season..... So if I can loop, anybody can loop. You're either too old, or you're a pussy who should go play tennis!!

one thing I find on powered loops is that I often land toeside or shoulders square.
im guessing it's a technique thing..... But when the kite yanks me I seem to twist my body.

One no of my local rippers is drilling into me-
:shoulders square with kite when starting the loop
: land into your natural shoulder / hip

nearly there!!
loop it or kook it!!

Ragzilla said..
I've just started doing powered loops.
20kn on my 12m is my threshold.

i do exactly what eppo said.
send it, take off , one thousand and pull the trigger on 2 thousand.

One no of my local rippers is drilling into me-
:shoulders square with kite when starting the loop
: land into your natural shoulder / hip

Shoulder square, land into your natural shoulder, hip...much better way of describing the setup and landing...will borrow that if you don't mind.

Eppo u nailed the advice

NickT said..
I ride fuels so may be different and i don't loop anymore after a good crash.

Like others said you need to be fully powered.

Get as much board speed as you can with the kite low, ease the kite up with the bar sheeted out (this will stop the kite sitting deep) sheet in and drive the kite just past 12 as you would in a normal jump pause and before the apex loop your kite.
When your kite has looped and pointing to 12 sheet out it'll climb quicker and you'll swing in underneath, sheet in for the kite to catch you and drive the kite into a downloop if you're still in the air.

Sounds like a piece of cake haha