Pulleys or no pulleys?

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Davey2883
Davey2883
WA
28 posts
WA, 28 posts
27 Mar 2012 4:28pm
Just thought I'd find out what other people's thoughts and preferences were when it comes to having pulleys or a fixed bridle and why they think they are better or worse?

And has anyone demoed the 2012 best taboo and if so wot did they think of it?

Cheers Davey
Lovely
Lovely
QLD
248 posts
QLD, 248 posts
27 Mar 2012 6:51pm
Good chance your wing tip will get caught in the bridal.
Lose the bridals, they're for the weak and people who lack confidence
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
27 Mar 2012 8:09pm
I used to ride kites with pulleys, but a year ago I saw the light. Ozone kites are all pulley-free with bridles that are short enough to avoid tangles whilst combining with elegant canopy designs to provide massive wind range, easy flagging, and rapid relaunch.

My kites work well with bridles. I agree with Lovely though that bridals are out of place on a kite
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
27 Mar 2012 5:52pm
Depends on what you are looking for. Some people like the slight delay of the pulleys and the relative spongy feel it creates. Notice I said relative Having always had pulley kites since the advent of the good old bow kite, now flying with bridles and no pulleys, I can say I prefer no pulleys. Gives you more of a direct feel and allows you to control speed though edging the board and slight depower adjustments. Like to feel the kite through the window. Allows a shorter bar throw as well.

It is all relative though. Some people love their kites that use pulleys.
bobajob
bobajob
QLD
1535 posts
QLD, 1535 posts
27 Mar 2012 9:50pm
Two lines, four lines, pulleys, no pulleys. What next, back to two lines?
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
28 Mar 2012 7:29pm
Lovely said...

Good chance your wing tip will get caught in the bridal.
Lose the bridals, they're for the weak and people who lack confidence


Bridals are for getting married.

School is for learning to spell.

And pulleys are one more point of weight and complexity.
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
28 Mar 2012 9:59pm
I prefer to have pulleys, ohhh and flexible spars as well.
This is why the Waroo is still my favourite kite of all time.

KnutH
KnutH
VIC
427 posts
VIC, 427 posts
28 Mar 2012 11:54pm
Having 2 pulleys each side certainly makes the turning behaviour quite indirect, as at least one pulleys moves quite a bit.

However having just 1 pulley each side, you can design the bridle so that the pulley doesn't move during turns, just as you sheet the bar in/out.

So the kite will feel just as direct in transitions, but with the added advantages of
- Bigger wind range/ more depower with less bar travel.
- At the same time a shorter bridle.
- More boost/hangtime. Keep the bar close and load up to the max, then as you rise up, sheet the bar all the way out. If you then sheet it in again, you will get a big second lift.
- Better gust absorption.

For unhooked freestyle, pulleys may cost you some slack though.

My conclusion: For freeriding/boosting, a well designed kite/bridle with 1 pulley per side is probably the better trade-off.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
28 Mar 2012 9:33pm
surfingboye said...

I prefer to have pulleys, ohhh and flexible spars as well.
This is why the Waroo is still my favourite kite of all time.








LOL you are still at it! LOL
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
28 Mar 2012 9:36pm
KnutH said...

Having 2 pulleys each side certainly makes the turning behaviour quite indirect, as at least one pulleys moves quite a bit.

However having just 1 pulley each side, you can design the bridle so that the pulley doesn't move during turns, just as you sheet the bar in/out.

So the kite will feel just as direct in transitions, but with the added advantages of
- Bigger wind range/ more depower with less bar travel.
- At the same time a shorter bridle.
- More boost/hangtime. Keep the bar close and load up to the max, then as you rise up, sheet the bar all the way out. If you then sheet it in again, you will get a big second lift.
- Better gust absorption.

For unhooked freestyle, pulleys may cost you some slack though.

My conclusion: For freeriding/boosting, a well designed kite/bridle with 1 pulley per side is probably the better trade-off.





Not sure if i agree with this - although you do make some good points. The biggest boosting, gust absorption, with the smallest depower bar movement and throw I have ever used is a non pulley kite. The wind range factor I may not be able to argue with though...
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