Relaunch 4 line tips

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getfunky
getfunky
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10 Oct 2005 4:04pm
Hi,
I started last season on a 10m Aero and was starting to crack things at the end of the season as the winds started to die.
I also picked up a Flow 16m which was really nice to fly in 12-18 kts but have had a couple of days when I have dropped the kite (not much wind either) and it has ended up directly downwind of me in deep water but I have been unable to bring the kite around to one side to relaunch. On one occasion I felt there was definately enough wind to get going but "I no go".

Any tips for relaunching in the ocean?

These are both standard 4 line medium aspect kites.

Cheers,
HungLong
HungLong
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10 Oct 2005 4:46pm
practice practise practise, then when you think you have it sussed practise some more...

also when you get caught out and the wind is dying off, dont just simply struggle to get back in when you know your going way down wind or even worse going to miss the spot altogether as I have seen it done plenty at point walter & woodmans point. Jump off your board and stick your board under your arm using it to extend keel effect your body makes in the water and body drag in to shore. You'l be suprised how fast and easy you track back upwind into shore.

regards browneee @ bestkiteboarding
LookUp
LookUp
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10 Oct 2005 6:51pm
Hi Getlaunching, different kites tend to differ a little in their launching tricks, but a handy tip that some people don't know about is as follows. Once you have your kite on its back, by giving the centre lines a pull then swimming towards it until the tips are pointing skyward, you then need to get the kite round to the edge of the window. If the kite is already showing a preference to one side, pull in on that side of the bar, so if the kite is drifting left, pull in the left side of the bar. Now, in light winds the trick is to also pull on the corresponding center line - in this case the left center line. Be super careful though that you don't get the line around your fingers when it powers up! The kite should drift nicely to the edge of the window and when you are ready release the center line and pull on the right hand side of the bar and up she goes. Give it a go next time.
Kitehard
Kitehard
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10 Oct 2005 6:56pm
Hi Getfunky,

I thoroughly recommend a lesson with a kite school that teaches in deep water. I get loads of students that come to me for lessons from other schools and when I ask them if they can relaunch their kite they emphatically reply "definately!"

Usually with a little more probing I find out they have learned with a school that teaches in knee deep water and they definately cannot launch a kite when they can't touch the bottom. This presents a problem when kiting anywhere but in kiddies wading pools.

I've seen plenty of people drag along behind a kite from Pinnaroo to Mullaloo unable to water relaunch because they cannot touch bottom. Ordinarily this isn't a problem but for the 5m+ Great Whites which frequent the area....

Find a good instructor and get a short lesson or ask a friend to show you the proper method. You never know, you may enjoy having legs someday!

Good winds always
waveslave
waveslave
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10 Oct 2005 7:44pm
Dear Kitehard,

Do you actually believe that instilling fear by mentioning great white sharks;
is going to help you drum up business for your 'deep water school'???

It just might do the opposite.

The author of this topic is asking for TIPS on relaunching.

Do you have any, maestro?

(And please, don't just say get lessons from a good instructor.)
getfunky
getfunky
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11 Oct 2005 4:46am
ok fellas settle...
ta for advice so far.

I actually did do great lessons but havent had many probs relaunching my 10m (generally) so have forgotten some of the tips to bringing the kite around in deep water. It is obviously a bit harder when on my 16m in 14 or so knots. I only bought the 16m late last season so only had 4 or so cracks at it (great kite though).

Is tugging the inside or outside line the trick? (careful of digits of course).

BTW every time I try the paddle toward kite number I am struggling as I seem to get tangled.

Cheers,
Juddy
Juddy
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11 Oct 2005 1:11pm
um, this talk about 5m+ great whites up around Mullaloo...please explain a bit more? i'm about to have lessons up there, and i have to say that bit of knowledge whilst "appreciated" certainly isn't what i want to hear...

how freakin' often do you get any size white pointers, let alone 5m+????
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
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11 Oct 2005 2:06pm
Fellas, fellas, fellas.

Our friend and yours, KiteHard was simply using a common technique of human communication called 'Humour' or 'Flippancy'.

It's a technique often demonstrated on this forum, and even about that every same topic; the great whitey.

Chill boys, and have a laugh, it's more fun than paranoia.
waveslave
waveslave
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11 Oct 2005 2:13pm
Dear Kitehard,

I'm gobsmacked by your post.
What were you thinking?
That's the most self-defeating statement I've seen for some time.

Are you "definately" saying that the beach you teach at is great white shark country?
What the heck!

No, I don't believe it.
Nope, Jaws doesn't reside there, he lives in Hollywood, man.

(Tips mate.....tips.)
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
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11 Oct 2005 2:38pm
Someone please give WaveSlave a shot of humour real fast.
waveslave
waveslave
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11 Oct 2005 2:59pm
You see Ben, this is the thing.

I'm touchy about bad form.
There's no excuse for uncoolness.

Being flippant about sharks whilst at the beach or over the forum flips me out.
I have my reasons.

Crew who constantly chatter about sharks while I'm trying to enjoy the beach;
should have their lips sewn together.
It's the ultimate in uncool.

Think of it this way.....
You're sitting in the airport bar having a quiet one with friends who came to see you off.
You're about to board your flight in 10 minutes, time for one more round.
A friend starts up a 'humourous' conversation about plane-crashes, hi-jackings and bombings.

Hmmmm....do you get the point?
Uber uncoolness.
stoff
stoff
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248 posts
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11 Oct 2005 3:54pm
Get Funky, i've found the following method works for me every time.

1. Hook your chicken loop back onto your harness.
2. Depower your kite by pulling on the strap. This will reduce the tension on the back lines and allow the kite to roll onto its back easier.
3. Swim towards the kite until it rolls over. Stop as soon as it rolls
over because if you let the lines go slack the kite can turn inside out.
4. You will normally find that at this stage the kite will automatically start to go either left or right but often wont go around to the edge of the window. Whichever way the kite is facing, grab the corresponding, middle(front), line. ie. kite facing left therefore grab left front line. Pull the line towards you about a foot and simply keep tension on it until the kite comes around to the edge of the window.
In light conditions you may find that it takes a short amount of time for the kite to start moving around but if you keep the tension on it and maybe even pull slightly more line towards you it will work.
Hope this helps.
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
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12 Oct 2005 11:02am
Slave, I get your point.
I'm not the hugest fan of flying in a plane.

So does this mean you've been attacked by a shark before?

I guess some people deal with fear by making jokes about it, and some peopel just don't wanna hear the words shark, bite, great, white, crash, engine failure, hijacker, terorism under any circumstances.

I think you've got more chance of being killed by domestic cattle than a shark.

Sorry mate, I'll never mention cowes again.
robbo
robbo
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12 Oct 2005 12:55pm
The jiggle method:
after the kites got its legs in the airand its moving near the end of the wind window, sometimes it seems as if its glued to the water, and just wont leave (surface tension / water resting on kite / whatever).
I finding quickly giving left / right movements on the bar gets the kite moving forward faster, giving more momentum for an easier take off.

try it - it works really well for me.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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12 Oct 2005 1:09pm
Sorry if this seems like a complete dork thing to say (I am a non kiter)

If you want the kite to move left, wouldn't you swim diagonally to the right rather than straight at it
samio
samio
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12 Oct 2005 1:56pm
Im a n00b kiter so dont kill me if i get this wrong, but you gotta get one of the edges of the kite to get in the air before you go to the opposite side, if i got it wrong then im sorry :s
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