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Originally posted by dave......
Pull on the fifth line a little and gradually let it out, owrks a treat especially in light winds
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Originally posted by em
Thats precisely what you are NOT supposed to do. THE REBEL DOES NOT RELAUNCH WITH THE 5TH LINE!!!! ..........
........It never takes longer than few seconds to get it back in the air, but whatever you do, don't touch the 5th line (it's purpose is for safety, not for relaunching).
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Originally posted by axis
I don't fly a rebel but have talked to some people on the beach about the relaunch. If the 5th is for safety, what happens when you let go of the bar? Does the kite fall onto it's back like any 5th line safety? If it does, surely it should be designed to relaunch from this position.
What then happens with relaunching if the kite goes on it's back, as people are saying it's hard to get up from this position?
James
Hi James,
if you let go of the bar, the bar slides along the 5th line.... Up to the red ball, that's been located where it is precisely because that's the length you need for the 4 other lines to get slack (so that the kite can't catch power again...). So yes, like any other 5th line bar...
No, it's not been designed to relaunch from this point as this is precisely how your kite is depowered (after opening your safety)... Important to keep in mind that at that stage, your kite has it's 4 lines slack and is held by the 5 th line: it CAN'T relaunch from there (that's why it's called a safety... if the kite was relaunching in this position, it wouldn't be an efficient safety at all!!!)
If the kite doesn't have its entire leading edge on the water (but just one side), it's returning straight into the edge of the window and back up...
The only situation it will be sitting on it's back and be difficult to relaunch is if people have been playing with the 5th line to relaunch it instead of holding on to a back line: the 4 other lines have become slack, as if the safety had been opened, and that's why they struggle then relaunching it (and that's why they shouldn't try to relaunch the rebel with the 5th line:a lot of consumers (and retailers actually...) haven't quite figured yet what an "hybrid" kite means: it has features of "c" AND features of "bow" (the best of both worlds, how sweet!... North concept was actually pretty straightforward: how do we keep all the good things of a C and all the good things of a bow, together? People flying the Rebel will confirm that this kite has the boost of a "C", the bar pressure of a "C, the turning speed of a "C", the safety-system of a "C" with the depower of a "bow", and the fast relaunch of a "bow"... For this reason (because the kite is an hybrid...), it requires different relaunching techniques than a usual 5th line kite. It's leading edge is too curvy to flip the same way than a usual C kite (however not as flat as a bow... it's really something in-between...))
Long story short: summing up. The Rebel self-launches like a C, can be self-landed like a C but relaunches like a bow.
Does that make sense?
If people are stuck to the point where they did the mistake to pull on the 5th line to try to relaunch it, they should let go that 5th line, let the rebel have its 5 lines under tension again, wait for the leading edge to get back on the water straight downwind from them, and then relaunch it the proper way (pulling on the back lines...).
I hope this helps and answered your questions....
And now that we're at it, anybody else who's got rebel question can go for it...
Actually, anybody who's got Rhino questions can go for it too (we might as well get it all over with: it's a gloomy rainy wintery day, it's not like I'm in any rush today (nor over-busy (obviously! ;-) )) so feel free!)
Em
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Originally posted by dave......
Em, in light winds I have to disagree with you. Having a reasonably straight leading edge compaired to some other bow kites around it makes it easier to get the kite to the edge of the wind window when you pull on the 5th line a little bit, in better winds it makes no difference. When I read kamikaze was having trouble launching a 12 in NSW I assumed it was in light winds as theres no trouble when the wind is in the good 12m kite range. Without pulling on the 5th sometimes the kite just sits 3/4 from where it should be.... Mabe I've just fluked it for the last 3 months...every day
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Originally posted by emquote:
Originally posted by dave......
Em, in light winds I have to disagree with you. Having a reasonably straight leading edge compaired to some other bow kites around it makes it easier to get the kite to the edge of the wind window when you pull on the 5th line a little bit, in better winds it makes no difference. When I read kamikaze was having trouble launching a 12 in NSW I assumed it was in light winds as theres no trouble when the wind is in the good 12m kite range. Without pulling on the 5th sometimes the kite just sits 3/4 from where it should be.... Mabe I've just fluked it for the last 3 months...every day
Well.... the thing is, there are a lot of different options to relaunch the rebel, but I've found out that on these forums, it's very easy to say "a" having people understanding "z"...
I've seen so many spastic replies to some of my posts and twisted interpretation that now when I put a reply, I make sure I explain it in a way a 5 years old kid would understand it... (no offense made here to all the people who manage to make me laugh and usually come up with constructive posts, but those are precisely the ones who know exactly what I mean! I'm always walking on eggshells for some reason when putting a post!)...
Also knowing I do have a language barrier (which I usually handle pretty well) so I am aware that my explanations can sometimes be totally misinterpreted... So I usually try to keep things as simple as can be, for everybody's sake...
It is possible to relaunch with the 5th line if you just pull it a tiny tiny bit (just enough for the kite to flip, but not too much so that all the lines end up slack... you're following me so far, right?) but then if you say that, people end up pulling it too much (they just start pulling on it and don't stop!) and then tell you it doesn't work.... sigh...
The back line technique works as a no brainer so that's why I've recommended for everyone to use it... hold on to a back line, and yeepee, it's back up in a sec...
The 5th line relaunch requires that you pull on it just enough, not too much, carefully listening to what your kite is saying on the other side, and well, I take it you're very sensitive to your rebel's language (good on you!).... but not everybody is... And I have myself stuffed it up using the 5th line, that's why I'd recommend to people NOT to do it cause you have to be very precise to succeed in this way... when with the back lines, it's easy as pie, and you don't have to be as gentle and careful than with the 5th line (you pretty much... just grab it, no matter which way!).
my motto being "keep it simple", I think it's easier for everyone to use the most simple technique rather than confusing people by saying you can either bla bla bla or you can bla bla bla...
So if it works for you, wicked... stick to what works for you (but try the back lines, though, you might find it much easier and straightforward!) I just know from fact that this technique allows too many people (me included!) to mess up their relaunch, when the back lines relaunch never fails....
So my idea was really "keep it simple" rather than coming up with 3 different techniques that would have confused people...
Knowing that I more likely have been confusing everybody now!!!!
So, yes, 5th line CAN work....if you pull it just enough for the leading edge to flip but not too much so that the back lines are still under tension (correct me if I'm wrong... ;-) ).It CAN work.
But using the back lines is much more easier...
Is that now a satisfying reply to you?
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Originally posted by cwamit
What wind speeds were you out in bodiddy and how heavy are you?
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Originally posted by BoDiddly
14 ordered.
Awaiting to go pick it up.
Better be wind on the weekend!
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Originally posted by speed brother
Rebel relaunch...it's in the manual.
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Heard a rumour that in the sizes above 12m it is faster and more responsive than the Rhino 07.
