"So Floaty, as far as land/snow/ice boarding is concerned, those kites are not the same "Power Kites" used for kite surfing, but are smaller and less powerful, particularly in terms of power to weight ratios. Its easy to forget that Kite Surfing is the big end of this genre of sport."
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OK ,"thandy".At least whilst you are on your latest crusade you should check a few things first .The same kites that are used on water can be ,and are used on land and snow .It is one of the things many kite companies actively promote and use in their marketing .
Using a large depowereable traction kite that you might even blow up is huge in England in particular for landboarding and buggying .
no doubt you will have an answer to this so here is a letter that you can start with and add your bits

"To all our pommy friends that choose to use large traction kites on land and also the companies like Best who design their kites with special pads for the snow and actively promote using large traction kites on land .DON"T. You are feckin irresponsible and are giving kites a bad name .And to these guys www.kitesled.com.Those PL doonas that you are using for your power source should only be used for sleeping in when it is really cold on your trip.Please find enclosed a 1.2 m vibe trainer kite .You will find that this is much more appropriate for flying on land,the cotton wool supplied is not for your ears either"

hydra said...

Pheebobafet said...

Sand kite on stockton beach!

got a question,

pheebobafet, how do you go with waxing the board? usually a sand board once waxxed only lasts about 100 meters before the friction starts wearing away the board itself,
looks sweet, ill have to give it a go. cant be any more painful than landboarding!.
good work

The wax helps...... for like you say about 100 meters. Surprisingly there was not a lot of wear on my snow board witch is old and crap any way. So if you have an old snow board dont bother with the wax. It is definatley worth giving it a go.

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Why would you save your pity for some drunk person headbutting a sand bank between the flags and then sueing because he was an idiot and broke his neck???? Am I misreading something?? These people are****** idiots. Anyone who dives into shallow water is a moron. Anyone who thinks it was someone elses fault becasue they were to stupid to check the depth is an even bigger moron.

Hey sand groper,

The object of this topic was not to be a debate on the dangers of using kites on different elements, but to simply show an advert (which has gone to air in the states) that i am proud of (even if it is only seven seconds) and celebrate the joy and many different aspects of kiting and how much more you can do with a kite and a little imagination. Sandkiting was just an idea and we proved it could be done!

Are you just an internet junky with nothing better to do than instigate arguments on forums? Or are you seriously concerned for the safety of fellow kite surfers, and fearing for the safety of the future of the sport?

If so do something practical! Maybe you should become an IKO instructor and teach what you preach! Otherwise take your posts else where and stop being a F&*ing sook!

sandgroper
Their are alot worse sports than kiteboarding stop complaining. We all know the risks before we get out their or we wouldn't do this sport. Everyone will get hurt 1 day so get over it. I dis loacted 2 finger the other day and all i want to do is get back out their not stop and complain like you.

sandgroper said...

Mr float said...


OK ,"thandy".At least whilst you are on your latest crusade you should check a few things first .The same kites that are used on water can be ,and are used on land and snow .It is one of the things many kite companies actively promote and use in their marketing .
Using a large depowereable traction kite that you might even blow up is huge in England in particular for landboarding and buggying .
no doubt you will have an answer to this so here is a letter that you can start with and add your bits

"To all our pommy friends that choose to use large traction kites on land and also the companies like Best who design their kites with special pads for the snow and actively promote using large traction kites on land .DON"T. You are feckin irresponsible and are giving kites a bad name .And to these guys www.kitesled.com.Those PL doonas that you are using for your power source should only be used for sleeping in when it is really cold on your trip.Please find enclosed a 1.2 m vibe trainer kite .You will find that this is much more appropriate for flying on land,the cotton wool supplied is not for your ears either"

"To all Mr Floats customers that choose to use POWER KITES on land, regardless of who manufactured these kites designed to be used ONLY ON WATER -- DONT. The Australian Kite Surfing Association commented in 2003 following Australia's 2nd kiting fatality that the death was a result of the use of a POWER KITE on land. AKA stated that POWER KITES are designed for water use only and should never be used on land."

If you could just CC that to all your customers Floaty, I'd very much appreciate it.

And you can refer them to the AKSA website safe kiting guidelines here: http://www.aksa.com.au/safe_kiting_guidelines.php

Thanks in advance,
Sandy

So make sure that you never launch or land those water kites on land .Stick with Sandys rules and you'll never go wrong

If kitesurfers had their way all other types of kite flying will be banned.

That's what happens when you have a closed mind and think you know everything.

kitsurfing is less popular now in Australia than ten years ago !!! what is happening ??? some thing is wrong ...

At this rate of complaints from kitesurfers kitesurfing on our popular beaches WILL be banned within 4 years. From my experiance only kitesurfers complain, everone else loves it..

I'm ready for it, by setting up a land based kite culture.

Funny.. I teach all my students beach jumping and it's really popular, they love it !!

I think the fun police are at my door ????

sandgroper said...
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Hey Alex, if AKSA say in response to the Arlie 2003 kiteing fatality that power kites should not be used on land, why do you advocate the use of power kites on land? Are you smarter than them or something ? Or are you trying to get people killed ?

who is charge of ASKA ?? who makes the rules??
what do you call a power kite and what do you call land?
I kite on mud and skim in 2mm water, would that be land or water?? I can do the same with an inflatable or power kite ( foil)?? if so does that mean if it rains and the grown is really wet, and I use an inflatable.

Am I AKSA approved ?? and no kitsurfer is watching ..
look overseas kitesports is the future !!!!

Pheebobafet said...

What's more we have both suffered many injury's in the water, not through stupidity but trying new tricks and actually living a little. Kiting in general is dangerous, surprised you haven't noticed, but i,m not surprised if you haven't hurt yourself or if your really crap or possibly cant even kite!





You Tell them !!!!
they are kitesurfers, only kitesurfing is allowed, anything different should be banned.

They are just scared. they should grow out of it eventually ??

sandgroper said...

"To all Mr Floats customers that choose to use POWER KITES on land, regardless of who manufactured these kites designed to be used ONLY ON WATER -- DONT. The Australian Kite Surfing Association commented in 2003 following Australia's 2nd kiting fatality that the death was a result of the use of a POWER KITE on land. AKA stated that POWER KITES are designed for water use only and should never be used on land."

If you could just CC that to all your customers Floaty, I'd very much appreciate it.

And you can refer them to the AKSA website safe kiting guidelines here: http://www.aksa.com.au/safe_kiting_guidelines.php

Thanks in advance,
Sandy

"Power Kite" is a term normally associated with smaller kites designed for land, although it could be used to describe all kites, however thats will lead to confusion as it has in your example.

Lach is a responsible kite retailer, your warning sounds silly and is silly, sorry!

The incident where a person died up in Qld was caused by inexperience, overconfidence and a degree of stupidity.
The person managed to get hold of a kitesurfing kite, an inflatable. He had some paragliding or skydiving experience and was a known risk taker with a bit of a death wish.
He teathered himself via some rope to a goal post on a football field, he then managed to launch the kite and began lofting himself into the air, swooping the kite through the powerzone, eventually he either looped the kite or somehow managed to get the lines tangled on another nearby goal post and fell several metres to his death.

The kite was definitely an inflatable kite surfing kite.

Remember that kite surfing as we know it evolved from land power kiting. Hundreds of thousands of people land kite, with purpose designed power kites, everday somewhere in the world.
There have been relatively few land kiting deaths in the last 25 years, since the sport starting evolving, I can only remember a few.

However land jumping with kites is a Darwin Award activity, eventually a person confidence exceeds the ability of the kite to provide a parachute effect and soften the landing (because the kite is not designed for human flight), and injury or death occurs, mostly injury and a lesson is learned by those with some intelligence.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Alex sanz said...

Pheebobafet said...

We dont see the type/size of kite in use here, which is the point. Nor the wind speed. However the control bars are a giveaway that this is not a kite designed for use only on water (kitesurfing kite). Its a probably a small foil designed for use on land where lofting to significant height is not possible under its designed usage ranges.

sir ROWDY said...

Why would you save your pity for some drunk person headbutting a sand bank between the flags and then sueing because he was an idiot and broke his neck???? Am I misreading something?? These people are****** idiots. Anyone who dives into shallow water is a moron. Anyone who thinks it was someone elses fault becasue they were to stupid to check the depth is an even bigger moron.

We argee! And anyone who lofts (eg >2M) land kiting is even more stupid, ok?

Its good to have some one agree with me for once.

superlizard said...

Am i going blind, or has the front left wheel just disappeared in the second shot ?

keen eye lizard.. i think it just has something to do with sequenced shots.. some times they stuff up a bit. a little piece of the right wheel is missing aswell.. and a little chunck of phills head

Pheebobafet said...

Hey sand groper! Look how dangerous this is! Think there is any thing in the A.K.S.A about this sort of stupidity? Sometimes i could actually feel the Wind effected by the chopper!

Wow .that's up there with some of the ozone snow vids YA CRIMINAL.BAAAAAD YOUUUUU
That one's gotta be photo shopd eh?