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Pheebobafet
Pheebobafet
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 3:36pm
Check this out! Only the first 7 seconds is worth watching from a kiter's perspective , a pity as they took hours of footage.


surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 3:56pm
thats cool mate, were you there???
Pheebobafet
Pheebobafet
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 4:33pm
surfingboye said...

thats cool mate, were you there???


Yup. Riding the white royal era at the Stockton sand dunes. It was good fun.
KiteAction
KiteAction
QLD
337 posts
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2 Apr 2009 4:28pm
Mmmmm Steak!
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 5:37pm
where are those sand dunes??? it looks like good fun. do you get out there much.
Pheebobafet
Pheebobafet
NSW
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NSW, 124 posts
2 Apr 2009 6:16pm
surfingboye said...

where are those sand dunes??? it looks like good fun. do you get out there much.


Just north of Newcastle N.S.W. Its not to bad. Very physically demanding. I got out maybe 6 times before the add. Snow kiting would be so much fun, im guessing much less resistance.

Its a 20 km down winder from where we were to where i live with some awesome waves so its hard to substitute the surf board for the sand board when your in the dunes and the winds humming!
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 6:28pm
Looks like fun.

So can you hold you ground on the sand or is it all downwind?
Chris_M
Chris_M
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2 Apr 2009 3:32pm
Yeah steak and kite sandboarding go hand in hand. I wonder what type of extreme manouvre would go with the new nandos double chicken breast dealy? Prob a mega loop strapped onto an emu racing thru a cactus patch I reckon
Pheebobafet
Pheebobafet
NSW
124 posts
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2 Apr 2009 9:28pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Looks like fun.

So can you hold you ground on the sand or is it all downwind?


In a strong enough wind yes, you can hold your ground. I was on a 12 meter at 20 knots and weigh 84 kg. The board also makes a big diff. Bigger better. Also straps really help. Sand board straps are no good, but with the snowboard and tight boots a lot better. It is very physically demanding. I have landed front and backrolls hooked in on the sand, and the transition from sand to water on the snow board is easy and feels like a twiny in the water. Definatley worth trying
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
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2 Apr 2009 11:57pm
so do you kite on your snowboard down wind in the waves to get to this location. then you get to the dunes and continue to use the snowboard. seems like you need more power than on the water as well.
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
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2 Apr 2009 9:04pm
Pheebobafet said...

GalahOnTheBay said...

Looks like fun.

So can you hold you ground on the sand or is it all downwind?


In a strong enough wind yes, you can hold your ground. I was on a 12 meter at 20 knots and weigh 84 kg. The board also makes a big diff. Bigger better. Also straps really help. Sand board straps are no good, but with the snowboard and tight boots a lot better. It is very physically demanding. I have landed front and backrolls hooked in on the sand, and the transition from sand to water on the snow board is easy and feels like a twiny in the water. Definatley worth trying


You boost on the sand??

I dunno what to say. Where's Alex ?
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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3 Apr 2009 11:49am
Chris_M said...

Yeah steak and kite sandboarding go hand in hand. I wonder what type of extreme manouvre would go with the new nandos double chicken breast dealy? Prob a mega loop strapped onto an emu racing thru a cactus patch I reckon


..for product placement you might have to be drinking a bottle of the hot nando's sauce while doing the above - now that's extreme!
japie
japie
NSW
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3 Apr 2009 6:30pm
You boost on the sand??

I dunno what to say. Where's Alex ?


Yup. I got some good pics, not on me now, or i would post them. The further back into the dunes the harder it gets to boost cause the wind is flukier. There is no doubt some huge potential for massive air (and injury)!
Alex sanz
Alex sanz
NSW
106 posts
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3 Apr 2009 10:40pm
Hi Guys !!

you can ride all three waves with a finless board. That is the sand dune ( shaped like a wave) then sand board the beach, then on the skim in the shallows then the surf the wave, you quickly turn and head straight towards the sand dune once you reach the top, jump and you can also catch the compresison wave. It's a mad ride but it has to be done very fast !! It is possible to land back in the water. Only happened Once!!

great fun !!!
prea
prea
QLD
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3 Apr 2009 10:36pm
sandgroper said...

Pheebobafet said...

GalahOnTheBay said...

Looks like fun.

So can you hold you ground on the sand or is it all downwind?


In a strong enough wind yes, you can hold your ground. I was on a 12 meter at 20 knots and weigh 84 kg. The board also makes a big diff. Bigger better. Also straps really help. Sand board straps are no good, but with the snowboard and tight boots a lot better. It is very physically demanding. I have landed front and backrolls hooked in on the sand, and the transition from sand to water on the snow board is easy and feels like a twiny in the water. Definatley worth trying


You boost on the sand??

I dunno what to say. Where's Alex ?


can you wear a tophat
Pheebobafet
Pheebobafet
NSW
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4 Apr 2009 1:40pm
Sand kite on stockton beach!


sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
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4 Apr 2009 1:30pm
Pheebobafet said...

Sand kite on stockton beach!


Unbelieve.

Well at least there'll be no surprises when you break your neck & end up sucking your lunch through a straw for the next 60-70 years.

And while you're there in the nursing home with nothing else to do, you might reflect on the cost to the community of looking after you as a result of your abject stupidity.

I mean, I'll save my pity for the guy who dived into the surf drunk, hit a sandbar, and ended up a quadriplegic, even though he got a big payout from the surf club because he was between the flags. At least he THOUGHT it was safe.

You guys actually KNOW its fatally dangerous.

Unbelieve.
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
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4 Apr 2009 1:58pm
Its time WAKSA took a clear position on some of these antics. A shortlist of kiting activities that will get a member a 12 month suspension would be a good idea.

Heres a starter:

CODE OF SAFETY AND ETHICS

A member shall not engage in, or promote by any means
1. sand kiting, jumping/boosting on or over land, jumping/boosting over jetties or other fixed structures or marine craft or persons;

2. kiting at night, with or without the benefit of a full moon, except under controlled conditions with adequate lighting and having obtained written local council approval.

3. recriminations against other beach users who, whether willfully or not, may obstruct or limit the members unrestained use of the beach and water space for their own lawful enjoyment or use. Members shall respect other beach and surf users at all times, and shall at all times put the rights of others to their quite enjoyment of public space before their own kitsurfing activities.

4. any unsafe practice or new practice that clearly compromises personal or public safety ....


You get the idea. Anyone care to add 5. 6 and 7 ?
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
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4 Apr 2009 3:42pm
Gee you're a miserable bastard sandgroper! Why dont you go take up cross stitch or learn a musical instrument or something. I dont want you to get hurt, precious
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
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4 Apr 2009 4:47pm
Chris_M said...

Gee you're a miserable b*stard sandgroper! Why dont you go take up cross stitch or learn a musical instrument or something. I dont want you to get hurt, precious


ouch

Ahhh, go jump off a sand dune!

Next.
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
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4 Apr 2009 5:00pm
Pheebobafet said...

Sand kite on stockton beach!


I reckon thats just about the same height as the roof Superman fell off when he broke his neck. I suppose it will take time before the message gets through how dangerous this caper is.



So Alex,.... tell me. What have you done today to warn newbies against dangerous kiting maneuvers
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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4 Apr 2009 7:44pm
And you think kiting in the water is safe? How about riding a bike? It is up to his own discretion if there is no-one else placed at risk. Get over it, life is dangerous, people do stupid **** everyday in extreme sports. See EXTREME.
orynoco
orynoco
QLD
271 posts
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4 Apr 2009 7:27pm
Did'nt superman fall of a horse to break his neck??
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
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4 Apr 2009 7:07pm
orynoco said...

Did'nt superman fall of a horse to break his neck??


You are correct. Reeve was paralysed in 1995 when he broke his neck after being thrown from a horse.
option158
option158
NSW
13 posts
NSW, 13 posts
4 Apr 2009 10:51pm
Lucky this isnt a horse riding forum then, makes you realise how extreme Prince Charles and his royal buddies are with their polo and fox hunts and horse mega loops ay girls
hydra
hydra
SA
254 posts
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4 Apr 2009 10:45pm
Pheebobafet said...

Sand kite on stockton beach!





got a question,

pheebobafet, how do you go with waxing the board? usually a sand board once waxxed only lasts about 100 meters before the friction starts wearing away the board itself,
looks sweet, ill have to give it a go. cant be any more painful than landboarding!.
good work
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
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4 Apr 2009 8:24pm
A horse is only 2 metres high.
Mr float
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NSW
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4 Apr 2009 11:51pm
kiting on hard pack snow and ice must fall into this catorgary as well eh?

sandgroper said...

Its time WAKSA took a clear position on some of these antics. A shortlist of kiting activities that will get a member a 12 month suspension would be a good idea.

Heres a starter:

CODE OF SAFETY AND ETHICS

A member shall not engage in, or promote by any means
1. sand kiting, jumping/boosting on or over land, jumping/boosting over jetties or other fixed structures or marine craft or persons;

2. kiting at night, with or without the benefit of a full moon, except under controlled conditions with adequate lighting and having obtained written local council approval.

3. recriminations against other beach users who, whether willfully or not, may obstruct or limit the members unrestained use of the beach and water space for their own lawful enjoyment or use. Members shall respect other beach and surf users at all times, and shall at all times put the rights of others to their quite enjoyment of public space before their own kitsurfing activities.

4. any unsafe practice or new practice that clearly compromises personal or public safety ....


You get the idea. Anyone care to add 5. 6 and 7 ?



fver
fver
WA
453 posts
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5 Apr 2009 12:55am
Hello,

As a motorbike rider, I learnt that falling on a hard surface (like bitumen) is better than falling in sand. You are more likely to slide or bounce when you fall on a hard surface. When you fall on sand, the sand stops you and all your kinetic energy is mobilised into impact energy, causing more damage to your body....

Sorry if this does not make sense... Just back from clubbing.. a bit tipsy...

And a bit ksf addicted to check Seabreeze now...

Fred
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
5 Apr 2009 4:22am
Mr float said...

kiting on hard pack snow and ice must fall into this catorgary as well eh?

sandgroper said...

Its time WAKSA took a clear position on some of these antics. A shortlist of kiting activities that will get a member a 12 month suspension would be a good idea.

Heres a starter:

CODE OF SAFETY AND ETHICS

...<SNIP>...




Looks like AKSA already have a Code of Conduct & Ethics.....(reproduced below). It looks like its an amended Football Club Code but its still appropriate. The relevant paragraph being (toward the end):


Sport at all levels in Australia upholds the principles of:
...
Safety Encouraging healthy and safe procedures, preventing and reporting dangerous
behaviour, while demonstrating concern for others.
...


I was in fact hunting around for the AKSA quote following the 2003 fatality in Arlie Park QLD (2nd fatality in Australia). AKSA commented that the person killed was using a Power Kite on land, and that Power Kites are designed for use on water only and should never be used on land. I'm very disappointed that I cant find any reference to this fatal accident anywhere on the internet. We need a KiteWatch web site to log all the kite incidents and fatalities for perpetuity.

So Floaty, as far as land/snow/ice boarding is concerned, those kites are not the same "Power Kites" used for kite surfing, but are smaller and less powerful, particularly in terms of power to weight ratios. Its easy to forget that Kite Surfing is the big end of this genre of sport.

The fact that Kitesurfing is dangerous is not licence to commit acts of reckless disregard for safety, but quite the opposite. Safety must be paramount at all times because kitesurfing is inherently dangerous.

Unfortunately, some people need that spelt out to them (and even then they dont get it).


Australian Kite Surfing Association
Ethics in Sport - Code of Conduct
Code of Conduct
· Operate within the rules and spirit of your sport, promoting fair play over winning at any cost
· Encourage and support opportunities for people to learn appropriate behaviours and skills
· Support opportunities for participation in all aspects of the sport
· Treat each person as an individual
· Display control and courtesy to all involved with the sport
· Respect the rights and worth of every person regardless of their gender, ability, cultural
background or religion
· Respect the decisions of officials, coaches and administrators in the conduct of the sport
· Wherever practical, avoid unaccompanied and unobserved one-on-one activity (when in a
supervisory capacity or where a power imbalance will exist) with people under the age of 18
years
· Adopt appropriate and responsible behaviour in all interactions
· Adopt responsible behaviour in relation to alcohol and other drugs
· Act with integrity and objectivity, and accept responsibility for your decisions and actions
· Ensure your decisions and actions contribute to a safe environment
· Ensure your decisions and actions contribute to a harassment free environment
· Do not tolerate harmful or abusive behaviours
Athletes (Kitesurfer / Kiteboarder)
· Give your best at all times
· Participate for your own enjoyment and benefit
Coaches
· Place the safety and welfare of the student or experienced Kitesurfer / Kiteboarder being
coached above all else
· Help each person (student, Kitesurfer / Kiteboarder, official etc) reach their potential - respect
the talent, developmental stage and goals of each person and compliment and encourage with
positive and supportive feedback
· Any physical contact with a person should be appropriate to the situation and necessary for the
person’s skill development
· Be honest and do not allow your qualifications to be misrepresented
Officials
· Place the safety and welfare of the athletes above all else
· Be consistent and impartial when making decisions
· Address unsporting behaviour and promote respect for all people
Administrators
· Act honestly, in good faith and in the best interests of the sport as a whole
· Ensure that any information acquired or advantage gained from the position is not used
improperly
· Conduct your responsibilities with due care, competence and diligence
· Do not allow prejudice, conflict of interest or bias to affect your objectivity
Parents
· Encourage children to participate and have fun
· Focus on the child’s effort and performance rather than winning or losing
· Never ridicule or yell at a child for making a mistake or losing a competition
Spectators
· Respect the performances and efforts of all people
· Reject the use of violence in any form, whether it is by spectators, coaches, officials or athletes
Sport at all levels in Australia upholds the principles of:
Fairness Operating within the spirit of the rules, never taking an unfair advantage, and making
informed and honourable decisions at all times.
Respect Recognising the contribution which people make to sport, treating them with dignity
and consideration, as well as caring for the property and equipment they use.
Responsibility Taking responsibility for one’s actions and being a positive role model at all times.
Safety Encouraging healthy and safe procedures, preventing and reporting dangerous
behaviour, while demonstrating concern for others.

In Australia we are proud of our sporting ability and our reputation as a nation of good sports. Our
society expects high standards of behaviour from all people involved in sport and it is vital the integrity of
sport is maintained. The main responsibility for this lies with the decision makers at every level of sport
who should ensure that all policies, programs and services are based on the principles of fairness
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
5 Apr 2009 4:52am
Alex sanz said...

Hi Guys !!

you can ride all three waves with a finless board. That is the sand dune ( shaped like a wave) then sand board the beach, then on the skim in the shallows then the surf the wave, you quickly turn and head straight towards the sand dune once you reach the top, jump and you can also catch the compresison wave. It's a mad ride but it has to be done very fast !! It is possible to land back in the water. Only happened Once!!

great fun !!!


Hey Alex, if AKSA say in response to the Arlie 2003 kiteing fatality that power kites should not be used on land, why do you advocate the use of power kites on land? Are you smarter than them or something ? Or are you trying to get people killed ?
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