Saturday's Looking Good, anybody keen?

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richswing
richswing
WA
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20 May 2008 9:39pm
I've never kited on a NW'ly in Perth, were's a good spot to go.

I was thinking Pinnaroo or maybe a downwinder from Trigg.

My main concern is the volatility of the weather.

Is this adviseable or should I hold out for a SW instead?


zola
zola
WA
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20 May 2008 10:34pm
NW is good, better than SW for swell and waves. Its all about timing! anything can happen, you usually get a good couple of hours in. could be the best session of the year. good luck. Im going to Cott or scarb.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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20 May 2008 11:17pm
Hey Ric,

Pinnas is a bit too onshore in a NWer. Mullaloo is good, as is Trigg, Cottesloe and Scarbs.

Keep an eye on the rain squalls upwind of you. Either have your kite down or be way out to sea when the squalls belt in. Best conditions for boosting and riding right handers.

Winter's all good. If you wait for a decent SWer, you'll not want to be holding your breath.

Good winds,

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
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21 May 2008 12:04am
yer cottesloe is great, the storm washes away all the sand so you can't launch properly and if you loose a bit of ground your in the reefs or on the sea wall. adds an awesome element to it
swanny and Leighton dont have this problem
Kitehard
Kitehard
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21 May 2008 10:44am
Swanny and Leighton don't have a wicked reef break that throws up a 4-6 foot filth right hander smashing down onto 8 inch deep slab rock! A truly wicked wave for those game enough to risk life and fin (It has claimed many of my fins)

Trigg holds a very big wave when the swell is up around 4-5m and the wind up into the high twenties and mid thirties. Very strong currents, massive thumping close outs on the inside and rocky reef against the shore, but again, a wicked right hander leading to a bowly left hander before closing out. A wave for the strapped adrenaline junkies.

These are just some of the places I like to ride when the swell and wind get out of control. Where does everyone else go when it's 30+ and massive swell? I normally end up kiting alone or with a couple of the instructors from the school.

Swanny and Leighton are just big nasty chop with close out beachies and fast sweep. If I wanna ride that kinda junk, I go to Scabs. Mullas is prob the best soft option. Small to medium waves, good clean, smooth runs between the waves, plenty of beach space and no rocks. Can get a little busy on a good day though!

Good winds,



Slack
Slack
WA
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21 May 2008 11:29am
I have just informed my clients that I will be "working from home" for the rest of this week.

I will enjoy the "big nasty chop with close out beaches and fast sweep" at Leighton.

Slack
sebol
sebol
WA
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21 May 2008 12:08pm
How about Melville???, i only have a 12 meters and don't want to face huge wind blast in the midle of the ocean.
NW Melville????
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
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21 May 2008 12:41pm
sebol said...

How about Melville???, i only have a 12 meters ...


Hey Sebol.
I have the same problem, at the moment I only have one 12m kite (I am 82kg though) but if you found a good spot tell me too.

Cheers
Alex
Kitehard
Kitehard
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21 May 2008 1:20pm
Hey Sebol

I hate to break it to you but you are going to need a much smaller kite than 12m to kite the winter Nor' westers.

A typical reasonable day is a quite gusty 15-25 knots NW then strong rain squall of up to 35 knots and then a lull of down to 10-15 knots after the squall, then back to 15-25 knots again until the next squal.

An unreasonable but truly awesome day in winter is gusty 30 knots with showers and then gusts up to and over 40 knots in rain squalls dropping back to 15-18 after the rain. Biggest jumps guaranteed if you can control your kite in the squalls also massive often violent secondary lift in jumps

The Nor' westers are quite predictable once you know what you are looking for in regards to weather patterns. You MUST keep an eye on the advancing clouds and rain upwind of where you are riding. My advice is to get the hell away from land at the approach of crazy squalls and be ready to flag your kite if you are within 100m of the beach. You will be much safer teabagging at zenith 600m to 1km from shore rather than it hitting when you are near the beach, thats when sh1t happens!

Squalls generally only last 10-20 minutes at the most, but watch out for the lull behind the rain once the front passes through. I don't recommend wild winter kiting for learners, but once you have a bit of experience and are feeling confident, winter can be absolutely prime time

I have a bunch of specials on my site if you are looking for some cheap smaller kites to "do" winter safely.

I love winter kiting!

Good winds,

Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
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21 May 2008 2:13pm
The wind direction for Saturday is WNW (almost W).
So Scarborough and Leighton and even Mullaloo does not have a parallel beach with the wind!

It seems like the only option we have is either Applecross or Woodman point, am I right?
sebol
sebol
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21 May 2008 3:12pm
Thanks for the advice Darren,

I have been out of the water for 3 months due to surfer's ear (showed you the stapples[}:)]), got the go ahead from the hospital this week so i am pretty desperate to get back out there.

I am aware that i will need a smaller kite, i have a torch 3 12m and the depower aren't really good and i was thinking of a switchblade 3 or a naish cult second hand but do you guys reckon i should buy a around the 9 or 7 meters mark?

I have only tried a bow kite while doing my lessons at Pinnaroo and remember a huge difference with my kite for the depower so maybe 9 meters?

I am 82kg and ride a 144cm board but will probably get a shorter board soon.

Oh i am still wondering about Melville or Pelican point on a NW'ly???
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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21 May 2008 4:01pm
Hey Sebol,

If they are the brands you are dead set on, then I would go for the 8m Cab SB3.

My reasoning is it's a decent kite, and a 9 is a bit too little a step from your 12 (too much overlap) and a 7 is a tad too much (too little overlap). The 9 still wont allow you to play in the really fun stuff (30+). A 7 will but you'll have to be verging on overpowered on the 12 before you could step onto the 7 and be comfortably powered (you'd have to work it).

The SB3 may be a little limited in top end but it is the best match for your 12. Alternatively I have a couple of 7m Vapors (new and used) which would do the job nicely if you are keen to look away from Naish and Cab. The Vapor has "C" like qualities with "bow" kite depower and won't be such a stretch from your Torch.

Vapor 7 gets you goin in about 20 knots. A good idea to get a smaller board too, at 80 kilos you now should be riding something around 132 or even smaller if you decide to keep your 144.

There's some stuff to chew over.

Good winds,

lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
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21 May 2008 5:59pm
Hey Sebol how come you have staples after surfers ear? I have had my ears drilled 3 times for surfers ear - certainly not much fun but heaps better after its been done!

Northerlies rock in Winter - love kiting in winter compared to summer as its not often we get the north wind to ride right handers... although Augusta was sweet this year

Last winter we rode 6 and 7m kites depending on the severity of the fronts and spent most of the time on our 10's...
Slack
Slack
WA
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21 May 2008 4:37pm
Sebol,

Melville is ok on a NW'ly and Peli is definitely not ok. Give Peli a miss if the wind has any Northerly componet.

Slack
Biagro
Biagro
WA
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21 May 2008 4:48pm
if your in the Bunbury area on saturday the Cut beach is awsum in NW good waves too
sebol
sebol
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21 May 2008 7:59pm

Hey Lancekenny,

check this for the horror story and the staples!!!!Might even find a damn ugly picture!!!!
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36786
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
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21 May 2008 10:57pm
Damn that is insane - like I said I have had mine drilled 3 times (right x2 left x1) and they just went straight down the ear hole, was out of hospital the same day each time and spent 6 weeks not getting wet which was pretty hard.

I had heard of people having their external exotosis done like that but never seen it...

Looks like we are hitting the water at the same time though - having recently broken my neck... whoo hoo bring on the winter storms - they are so much fun
Rosy
Rosy
WA
175 posts
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22 May 2008 9:20am
Hey.
Is it safe to go out on a 7m kite in today and tomorrow wind (im around 55kg)..And where abouts would be the best place to kite in westerly?
Any comments muchly appreciated :)
Cheers!
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
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22 May 2008 11:05am
Hey Rosy I am nearly twice your weight - solid muscle I assure you - and I would be using a 7m today, its blowing hard at the moment too. 30+ knots and gusts at 55kg I would have thought a 4 or 5m would have been the go to be honest, even then its still edgy... sometimes its good to weigh a little more
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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22 May 2008 9:46am
Hi Rosy,
I'd agree with Lancekenny. It looks like it may ease a bit later on, have a go then if your experience is up to dead onshore riding. Remember, no mistakes in onshore winds, none!

See ya out there,

vishy
vishy
WA
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22 May 2008 10:10am
I might swing past Trigg soon if anyones keen?

Can't wait for that swell to crank through

Thanks
Matt
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
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22 May 2008 11:23am
lancekenny said...

I have had mine drilled 3 times (right x2 left x1) ...


Is there anyway to prevent from Surfers Ear problem?
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
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22 May 2008 1:16pm
Prevention of surfers ear is pretty easy - stop your ears from getting cold from either cold water, wind or the mixing of the two - you can do this with hoods, helmets or ear plugs (blu tac or docs pro plugs). I use a neoprene hood in winter and a hat in summer with ear covers - wind chill in summer can often be a factor.
Juddy
Juddy
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22 May 2008 1:57pm
So what are the symptoms of surfer's ear please?
Juddy
Juddy
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22 May 2008 1:58pm
So, what are the symptoms of surfer's ear please?
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
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22 May 2008 3:41pm
reduced hearing is probably the last symptom, ear infections is a good sign as is a blocked ear that takes longer to drain. Basically as the bone in the ear canal grows in response to the cold the ear canal starts to close.

Noticing things over such a long time like hearing loss is pretty hard, I was aware though over time that my ears took longer to drain when I got water in them and when I stuck my finger in my ear that it physically felt smaller or my fingers had grown

Best bet is to see your doctor and ask him to take a look at your ears and he will be able to tell you if you need any action. My right one was nearly completely closed over before I really noticed, and its also the point in which a surgeon will usually address.
Rosy
Rosy
WA
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22 May 2008 6:29pm
Cheers for the comments..unforntunetly my cold got the better of me..but il see how it goes for tomz
GreenPat
GreenPat
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22 May 2008 8:39pm
lancekenny said...

Hey Rosy I am nearly twice your weight -


Rosy I am twice your weight but I can't tell you what size kite I would have used if I were in Perth today (kitehard knows why).

Damn work.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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22 May 2008 10:11pm
GreenPat said...

lancekenny said...

Hey Rosy I am nearly twice your weight -


Rosy I am twice your weight but I can't tell you what size kite I would have used if I were in Perth today (kitehard knows why).

Damn work.


gruezi
gruezi
WA
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22 May 2008 11:25pm
I would stay away from the River in storms and go to the ocean, much safer IMO...and sorry, but to even think of going out as a novice in a storm on a 12m is just stupid.

Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
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23 May 2008 9:51am
gruezi said...

I would stay away from the River ...



On the West wind where in the ocean you can go for kite surfing?
Any spot close to Perth?
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