Self landing 5 line c kites

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knuckle
knuckle
NSW
47 posts
NSW, 47 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:43am
Can any one give me the proper procedure for self landing c kites. After making a stupid stupid mistake of trying to self land my slingshot only to have it fall back into the power zone and as i pulled my safety and wonder why kite is not depowering i realise i am still hooked into suicide and get pulled face first into sand, stupid i know i just simply forgot to change back to fith line.

Anyway i am looking for the right advice on landing a c kite not the fact that i should have not been hooked into suicide i already know this.
JAKE123
JAKE123
QLD
314 posts
QLD, 314 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:26am
Gday,
just hook ur leash onto the 5th line safety and unhook then let the bar go.the kite will depower and fall slowly to the ground on its back. then just reel the kite in by pulling in the 5th line. make sure u dont wrap any lines around ur hands and only pull the fifth line in. also the kite may fly up into the air and float on its back there. this is normal and there should b little pull on the 5th line even in strong wind... keep pulling the kite in.

jake
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
QLD
98 posts
QLD, 98 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:29am
Is there another way to do it? when i pull the pin to self land, then work my way back to the kite, there is always at least 45min of untangling to do.
kitergirl
kitergirl
QLD
206 posts
QLD, 206 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:35am
slowly fly ur kite down and intentionally crash it leading edge down first.. as soon as it hits the sand pull the opposite line that u steered with.

you must quickly pull the line in or else the kite will slide along the sand and end up being dicerctly downwind of you. first couple of attemts have someone on the beach ready to grab you kite if it doesnt go to plan.

example. if u steered the kite to the left when it hits the sand leading edge first quicly pull the right line in and the kite should spin around like it usually would sitting on the beach.

HOWEVER; do not attempt when there are people on the beach in a 50m radius of your self and always be `connected to your fifth line when attempting.
mikeb
mikeb
QLD
126 posts
QLD, 126 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:53am
mate the safest in wind is unhook and let go of the bar with safety attached to 5 line, folllow the procedure of the other post, take your time and there should be no mess, make sure you dont bundle your lines together, after you have secured your kite grab your bar and run it away from kite till all your lines are pulled tight, this should prevent any tangles
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
7 Jan 2007 1:42pm
yep, just put it over your head and throw it on to the safety.

The lines will be fine.
dan OK?
dan OK?
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
7 Jan 2007 2:31pm
Yep i throw the bar and let the kite drop on the 5 th line gently to the ground.
Only difference is once the kite is on its back on the beach i tie the 5 th line to my partly buried board and walk up the lines to secure the kite.
Works '4' me
JAKE123
JAKE123
QLD
314 posts
QLD, 314 posts
7 Jan 2007 2:24pm
to avoid tangles after landing, dissconnect all of ur lines except the fifth and walk the bar away from the kite so the the fifth line feeds back through the bar and returns to the normal position.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
7 Jan 2007 9:53pm
another trick I use to avoid tangles is do a combination of kitergirls 'fly it onto the ground' and as soon as it's there or close I remove the bar from my person and 'drop it onto the fifth line'. So far I'm getting 50/50 of it staying right where I land it or hopping up for one bounce and landing about 10m away to stay. Then instead of reeling it in I walk my way up the 5th line to it so all my lines lie where they fell and aren't as inclined to get tangled. Once it's properly secured I'll go back, pull the 5th line back to the bar and then walk out the lines which so far have everytime lain out without even a hint of a tangle.

It has been known to muck up and not get the leading edge down, then I just pull it in anyway. Bit of effort, but not too bad.
knuckle
knuckle
NSW
47 posts
NSW, 47 posts
7 Jan 2007 11:21pm
Thanks all on your responses, kitegirl's method is the way i am particually interested in as this is the way i normally self land although in stronger winds i find it dosen't always work, thought there might have been some important method i was missing.
Seems the safest way is always via fith line but seems a hassle when landing only for a short break.
Any other secrets for landing in edge of window or is it up to the fith line?? Cheers for all responses
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
8 Jan 2007 1:57pm
back in the day when I used to fly a 5th line I never had any hassles with lines tangling when using the safety.

Have you got a stopper ball setup to stop the bar going too far up the 5th line?
knuckle
knuckle
NSW
47 posts
NSW, 47 posts
8 Jan 2007 9:59pm
No i don't have a stopper ball on fifth line! I have a standard 06 fuel fifth line set up.
I have been wanting to install a stopper ball to prevent bar going to far towards kite, what is the best method for installing and length to put it to still allow full depower?
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
QLD
98 posts
QLD, 98 posts
8 Jan 2007 10:50pm
i think the biggest problem with me occurs when i've got the kite down and am walking back up the 5th line to the kite. the safety is still attached and dragging the bar which is getting caught up in the rest of the line. Pain in the ring when the bar is part of the birds nest.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
9 Jan 2007 12:13am
I can land my kite with my eyse closed.
Then I have to open them to anchore my leash on somethin, (usually my car) walk over and secure the kite with earth.

You will definately need a stopper ball on your 5th to keep the kite stable and down.

GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
9 Jan 2007 4:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by knuckle

I have been wanting to install a stopper ball to prevent bar going to far towards kite, what is the best method for installing and length to put it to still allow full depower?



Ah-ha! You need to put a stopper ball on your 5th line. then you will never (ok rarely) tangle your bar & lines

The stopper needs to be placed so that the kite on safety rests on its back when in the centre of the window : something like

if it looks like this then the stopper is too close to the bar and the kite will not depower fully when on the water :

test it out in light winds to make sure you get it right before you use it for real!
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
9 Jan 2007 5:10pm
o6 fuels will stop at the knot on the 5th line, no need for stopper ball
but once u get past that point and are holding 5th line it will hover

back line safety on fuels osh leads to spiralling ++
front line safety not an issue naish wipika had front line ring

i do leash to 5th line, release surefire bar, tie 5th to board, run to kite staying out of the lines
works for all situations fuel, octane 10-30+ kn

only problem is when wave grenade deployed, then its back to o-s my lines are a frigging mess
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
QLD
98 posts
QLD, 98 posts
9 Jan 2007 8:19pm
Just got a Waroo to replace my 5-line Boxer . Woot, no more tangles.... i hope
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
10 Jan 2007 1:30am
I self land the old 4 line fuel on the osh line all the time with no tangles. Same trick as I use on the 5 line, do the fly it into the ground trick and drop it at the same time, if it doesn't stay put it doesn't go far, then walk up the lines to it keeping the attached one secure. Don't forget to use the upper osh for this one. And I don't know if this is different for newer year models.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
10 Jan 2007 10:14am
Check out this video clip. It requires that your leash line is one of your centre lines. Also, the clip says hold the leash line with your hand - rather use your leash.

http://www.ikiteboarding.com/uploads/selflandkite.avi

It works really well - just make sure that the line that you attach to is the top line when the kite is at 45 deg. This means that you can only land to one side when using this technique.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
10 Jan 2007 1:01pm
Just checked out the vid.

Hmm may work sometimes. But not all the time.

The method will be very unsucessful above 20knts and be totally crap in 35 knts.

A good 5th line system will behave consistantly the same in 10 to 50knts.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
10 Jan 2007 4:13pm
agreed - if you can land your prehistoric C kite on a front line safety then you were underpowered :-P
Andrew73
Andrew73
WA
31 posts
WA, 31 posts
10 Jan 2007 2:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by GalahOnTheBay

agreed - if you can land your prehistoric C kite on a front line safety then you were underpowered :-P


Only if you are still hooked in. Which I don`t think is the wisest option.
I land my 8m kite on the front line all the time. I first depower the kite, than unhook, than dive the kite down to the edge of the wind window (not to aggressive), at about 2m of the ground I throw away the bar and the kite safety (if I`m diving the kite to my left than I have the safety on the right line) pulls the kite so it lands leading edge into the wind. I have landed it using this method in up to 40knots. Just have to run to the kite in these stronge winds to put sand on it to stop it blowing away.
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