Semi-secret spots and the internet

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CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
NSW, 609 posts
11 Nov 2006 6:17pm
quote:
F2 had a helicoptor flying through the break last year filming a commercial, the F2 guy threatened to cut my lines if i went out at my home break.



WTF Woa hilly thats the rankest thing I have heard for a long time, if you see this fellow again please threaten him with extreme viloence and then politly tell him to go F@#$CK himself with his kite bar

Reading that made me so angry I had to beat my dog and my hamster




poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
11 Nov 2006 3:43pm
YOUR hamster...???
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
NSW, 609 posts
11 Nov 2006 7:12pm
Thats right mine he told me he'd rather beatings than your twisted and perverse shenanigans
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
11 Nov 2006 5:38pm
quote:
Originally posted by wdric

"Semi-secret spots and the internet"

with a topic like that I just had to look.
Here is what I done and most likley a lot of other users because of your post.

Read the post (found out that it is not that secret)
found the topic on kiteforum & read that
found the link on utube
watched a bit of it
found a link to save the file from utube directly to my pc
watched it a bit more
downloaded the other vids & watched them

All this only took about 1/2 hour after reading your post
Are you now thinking what the hell have I done







PMSL - glad I am not the only one that’s seen the irony.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
11 Nov 2006 6:19pm
Dude, this post was never just about that particular video. It was about those type of videos in general that name special spots. Try reading the rest of my original post...
As I said
Is it too late for these locations?? Is there any point even worrying?
Get it? Just asking opinions mate!
Lets all get back to who the **** is galahonabay.

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
11 Nov 2006 8:04pm
quote:
[i]Originally posted by kiterdan

Is it too late for these locations?? Is there any point even worrying?




Yes and No.
Quality surfbreaks have hosted large crowds for decades now.
The players have learned to deal with it.
There's no real alternative.
There's no sign saying 'No vacancy...**** off'.

Surfers jockey for position in the pecking order.
Poleys battle upwind to claim ownership.
It's a mind-game of intimidation and bluff.
Politeness is rare in crowd stress.

But even when the circus came to town,
the clowns still had fun in the breaking waves...
But now enter the new act...
Surf-puppets.
Under-the-Big-Top has a whole new meaning now.
Flying tents are pitched at 12 o'clock all along the beach.
And on the water, and on the wave face,
it's in-your-face.

Quality pointbreaks and scores of kiters don't mix.
Blame the strings and clueless kite**** who don't gybe when they should gybe.
Wave riders don't gybe, outbound kiters gybe.
Get it ?

Six is maximum.
Half dozen tops.
Anymore kite**** and it's a total cluster-fuc.
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
11 Nov 2006 10:56pm
Sorry, disagree wave....your six pack is too light.
anakin
anakin
107 posts
107 posts
12 Nov 2006 5:57am
Having lived my life in a tourist mecca I empathise with your secret spot plight.

It's sometimes hard to graciously share your favourite toys everyday. Locals only rules surface when the guests are w*%kers.

Just keep talking up the big white fish. That's what keeps me away from your secret spot & WA





Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
12 Nov 2006 12:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by anakin

Having lived my life in a tourist mecca I empathise with your secret spot plight.

It's sometimes hard to graciously share your favourite toys everyday. Locals only rules surface when the guests are w*%kers.

Just keep talking up the big white fish. That's what keeps me away from your secret spot & WA




Now thats a good idea. Make some fake bite marks in an old board, say how this shark attacked you out of no where and how you seen a sudden increase in sharks at this location and most people will stay away.

silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
12 Nov 2006 12:23pm
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

i know the feeling, in the middle of winter I found this secret spot called St Kilda, there was absolutely no one there, awesome rigging area. All of a sudden I go there yesterday afternoon and its packed with 50 kiters. How did these guys find out about the place so quickly


Hey Saffer,

you cannot claim this spot for you! I knew this spot before you, when th e water was stinking, and noboddy was ready to go there to kite. How on earth did you guys find about it? It was so secret, and I did not talk with anyboddy about it.
I am so disappointed. But now i now another secret spot, is close to #@&^%%$# and have some &@@#$#@@ and there arejust few %$#@**%$#, and I've been there %%$#&@@.
Ha, that's secret!!!
NSW, 4382 posts
12 Nov 2006 12:31pm
Its a bit a joke really eh, trying to hide anywhere on this planet anymore. Google Earth is there, so are other privately owned programs like that.

If you go to a spot, look at who is out there, if they are shredding (kiting, poleboarding or surfing) give them respect and stay off the waves they get on first. Simple.
Nothing has changed since I started surfing Bells, Winkie, RinCon and Southside 35 years ago, when the road in was a clay bog track, and only gay people wore leg ropes.

If you are not up to it, don't go out there, especially remote, reefy and sharky places like Gnarloo.

But just down the road there will be another much more suitable spot for less experienced riders, thats the great thing about a 28,000klm long coastline.

The rest of the angry local nonsense in this thread is grandstanding, and BS.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
12 Nov 2006 1:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Its a bit a joke really eh, trying to hide anywhere on this planet anymore. Google Earth is there, so are other privately owned programs like that.

If you go to a spot, look at who is out there, if they are shredding (kiting, poleboarding or surfing) give them respect and stay off the waves they get on first. Simple.
Nothing has changed since I started surfing Bells, Winkie, RinCon and Southside 35 years ago, when the road in was a clay bog track, and only gay people wore leg ropes.

If you are not up to it, don't go out there, especially remote, reefy and sharky places like Gnarloo.

But just down the road there will be another much more suitable spot for less experienced riders, thats the great thing about a 28,000klm long coastline.

The rest of the angry local nonsense in this thread is grandstanding, and BS.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve



Thanks Steve, that's just right.
See you all next week at Damian McKay Event in Phillip Island
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
12 Nov 2006 2:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by silviu

quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

i know the feeling, in the middle of winter I found this secret spot called St Kilda, there was absolutely no one there, awesome rigging area. All of a sudden I go there yesterday afternoon and its packed with 50 kiters. How did these guys find out about the place so quickly


Hey Saffer,

you cannot claim this spot for you! I knew this spot before you, when th e water was stinking, and noboddy was ready to go there to kite. How on earth did you guys find about it? It was so secret, and I did not talk with anyboddy about it.
I am so disappointed. But now i now another secret spot, is close to #@&^%%$# and have some &@@#$#@@ and there arejust few %$#@**%$#, and I've been there %%$#&@@.
Ha, that's secret!!!




Its fine, you can have St Kilda, I found another secret spot, I call it Altona (after the greek god of stinky water). Nobody knows about it yet either...
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
12 Nov 2006 12:28pm
Great entertainment, read kite forum too, a real hoot, I just love the comments from so called locals, there are none !!!!
I met one of the station hands a few years back, he started to learn to windsurf there, thats about as local as there is.
Goes for most spots allong the coast inc lano ( ohw yeah, im there every week end, i go there every year, i moved there 5 years ago ) or Gero etc.
I came to Perth from SA, as did many others I know of, to follow the wind, do I need a cv to sail the secret spot???
jl
jl
QLD
114 posts
jl jl
QLD, 114 posts
12 Nov 2006 4:45pm
Love the redneck comment, seems to be plenty here in Oz.
Never understood why people have a "locals" attitude? Do these people never go on holidays?
How are you meant to find great spots to kite if you dont hear it from someone else wanting to share their recent finds? Recently kited Coco's and Mauritius through recommendations and my life is better for it. Awesome spots especially Mauritius(except the 'locals' attitude is worse than here!). The wind is great here in WA , share and share alike I say.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
12 Nov 2006 7:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by jl

Love the redneck comment, seems to be plenty here in Oz.
Never understood why people have a "locals" attitude? Do these people never go on holidays?
How are you meant to find great spots to kite if you dont hear it from someone else wanting to share their recent finds? Recently kited Coco's and Mauritius through recommendations and my life is better for it. Awesome spots especially Mauritius(except the 'locals' attitude is worse than here!). The wind is great here in WA , share and share alike I say.



Umm simple, you live in a great spot to kite and you kite there everyday of the year and you don't want some dum arse visiting noobs or some Euro Trash getting kiteboarding banned on the beach you kiteboard at on a regular basis. Theres plenty of good spots to share and its fine having visitors but theres always a limit to how much numbers a spot can hold before you are struggling for room to do tricks.

Its good to share some spots but places like the internet are not selective who you tell and if a beach gets so hyped up it becomes a majour tourist destination and you are consitently overcrowded. Haven't experienced it myself but I know if I was a local of a really good spot I sure as hell would be pissed off at people ruining it for me.

Keep in mind I'm not an WA boy myself so its not like the beaches I ride at now are my local spot so its not my place to start the whole agro local crap anyway.
NSW, 4382 posts
13 Nov 2006 8:45am
Still dancing like a cat on a hot tin roof, yeeehaw!










stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
13 Nov 2006 11:05am
fo, how is it you manage to say absolutely nothing in such a long-winded rant?
Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
13 Nov 2006 9:28am
Welcome to the post-GoogleEarth world. As much as you'd like to live in the past, there ain't no such thing as a "secret spot" anymore. Anyone with a computer, an internet connection and half a brain can find anything now. The horse has bolted and it ain't goin back in the gate. Accept it. Live with it. Move on. It's the new reality and nothing anyone can do will make the world like it used to be again.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
13 Nov 2006 9:40am
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by kiterdan

Is it too late for these locations?? Is there any point even worrying?




Six is maximum.
Half dozen tops.
Anymore kite**** and it's a total cluster-fuc.



< Hypothetical Crowd Dynamic at Gnaraloo >
Let's say 25 poleys and 5 kiters.
That's do-able.
It's workable, just.

Now, switch the numbers.
25 kiters and 5 poleys.
It doesn't work.
Why ?
Because of strings and clueless kite****.

This scenario hasn't happened yet.
But maybe soon...
Just keep posting those vids on the internet to prop up your ego.
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
13 Nov 2006 11:31am
i keep my eyes closed all the time when iam at secert spots, so i dont even know where they are
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
13 Nov 2006 3:31pm
quote:
Originally posted by KAOS69

i keep my eyes closed all the time when iam at secert spots, so i dont even know where they are



Idiot! Doesn't help if you keep your eyes closed when you get there. You're supposed to keep your eyes closed while you're driving there.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Nov 2006 4:09pm
Anyone know of any of the "secret spots" on Botany Bay?
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Nov 2006 4:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

The rest of the angry local nonsense in this thread is grandstanding, and BS.


Unless of course they are driven by concerns for access to their local spot - which then must make the spirit of their actions fair game, doesn't it?
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
13 Nov 2006 4:03pm
Its good to see the majority realise the fallacy of 'secret spots'.

Some truth:

Gnaraloo [the posting of which started this whole thread] has been pole and surf central since the jack mccoy and 'Bunyip Dreaming' Video [DVDs hadnt been invented] with Occy at his superhuman finest circa 1990. It features in every single Australian Surfspot guide ever written for windsurfing, surfing, fishing both printed and electronic. In fact it would be the West's single most media exposed spots by far and has been long before kitesurfing was even invented.

If you want some real secrets spots Kiter Dan then there are about 30 between Mindarie and Lancelin all down the line and cross shore and perhaps a K offshore and another 50 between Wedge and Lancelin. All you need is a 4WD. a map, a brain and a sense of adventure. And you can shout about them every day and still there will be no-one else there.

So before you predict the Doom and gloom of 400 Euro Kiters packing out the break at Gnaraloo, just remember that the 1100k drive from perth, and the need for shelter, water, food and light all to be packed in your car. The endless flies, heat and dust........ all have served gnaraloo well as a spot for the dedicated only for decades now and long may it continue to do so.

In fact If you go there at any time outside of Sept-November the place is frankly deserted, with a couple of hardcore euros the only relief from solitary confinement. The vast majority of wind blown waves in Gnaraloo still roll to shore unsullied by the carve of a surfboard rail.

Also please reflect on Hirchausen's insightful comments on the Oakajee debacle and how the pubescent attitudes of a handful of locals now means that no one else gives a rats bottom and so they are destined to lose 'Spot X' forever.

Yes the real threat to Gnaraloo and other such past in the future will be rampant greed and unbridled development, global warming and sea levels rises, alternatively perhaps restricted access by self serving Govt Departments [see what has happended to fishing at Rotto].
My advice [in the immortal words of James Brown]..."Say it loud and Say it proud".
NSW, 4382 posts
13 Nov 2006 7:37pm
Nicely said Niall.
LOL's saffer, kaos69 and galah!!!
Secret spots on Botany bay eh!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
ADS
ADS
WA
365 posts
ADS ADS
WA, 365 posts
13 Nov 2006 4:42pm
I've got a book called Surfing Wild Ausralia that was released about 1983 and featured The Bluff among other NW spots. Soon after this I noted the first shots of Gnaraloo starting to be published in the Aussie surf mags.
Surfed the Bluff, Turtles and Gnaraloo in 1989 along with quite a few others (plenty of Trawler fisho's)
My point is this: Gnaraloo was pretty well known back in those days by surfers at least, so how could it possibly be a secret spot in 2006?
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
13 Nov 2006 8:07pm
quote:
Originally posted by ADS

I've got a book called Surfing Wild Ausralia that was released about 1983 and featured The Bluff among other NW spots. Soon after this I noted the first shots of Gnaraloo starting to be published in the Aussie surf mags.
Surfed the Bluff, Turtles and Gnaraloo in 1989 along with quite a few others (plenty of Trawler fisho's)
My point is this: Gnaraloo was pretty well known back in those days by surfers at least, so how could it possibly be a secret spot in 2006?




Answer = to the ignorant?

But of course the "locals" who have been there before 1989 know the exposure of the spot as well as you have brought to the ignorants attentions.. Anyhow how dare you bring up magazine articles .. This threads about semi secret spots and the internet... now could someone please paste me the link to the online kitesurf magazines..I wanta work out were my next holiday’s going to be as Gnaraloo sounds crowded.. cheers

Actually what is the diff between a secret spot and an undiscovered spot being discovered and showcased by a tourist? I am sure the locals who can’t be shagged looking for good spots in their own vicinity would claim it as a secret spot only because they didn’t know of it before. All hypothetical I know and require somewhat isolation to be probable...
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
13 Nov 2006 8:30pm
Yeah, agreed Niall and the rest...it aint no secret.

It is however a 'secret', as cwamit said, to the ignorant few. By posting a link on the most frequented kite forum on the net, it'll be common knowledge amongst all kiters. It'd be interesting to see how people out of the 1000 that have read this, and many more that read about it on kiteforum, knew about gnaraloo before the posts.

I am definitely not a local or anything but the number of kiters up there has skyrocketed since 2.5 years ago...about 8 trips In fact there were 15 of the bastards in september...no less than 5 kitemares that I witnessed. These aren't your average kiters either.

I agree with the fallacy of the term 'secret or semi-secret spots' (its just a term boys...how the hell can something be semi-secret?!?! You either know or you don't), but there are spots that I've been to by my lonesome and have never heard about previously on these forums or in a windsurfing book. I'm not sure about the rest of the world's kiters, but I am in no rush to tell everyone!
It seems no one really minds though, so maybe someone should start up a thread where everyone contributes their own special wavesailing spot...

Still maintain my standpoint, show the video but don't name the place. Seem like its just me . Moreover, spread the antihype about WA!
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
13 Nov 2006 8:50pm
my secret spot
kitebeaches listing www.kitebeaches.com/backoffmyspot!
google earth placemark www.earth.google.com/idpoint=not4show
WAKSA listing www.waksa.org/iwouldhavetokillyou
UBD directions www.UBDperth.com.au/comeonthespotsnotbigenough
transperth bus timetable www.transperth.com/itsasecret
yes all of these exist but first you have to find out were it is from me!
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