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choicey
choicey
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7 Aug 2007 3:15pm
I got a buzz off my kite yesterday.
A few of us went down to Crazy’s Yesterday, I launched Chas, he went into the water and started sailing out, Sean launched my kite and I made my way to the water,
At the same time it started to hail. When I put my hand on the bar I felt a small click in my hand , it felt like when a tendon moves over the bone. I did not register till I started moving back when both feet came off the ground and then when my foot touched the ground it felt like I stepped onto a nasty jellyfish, I looked down , no jellyfish. The next few steps were the same. I was getting electric shocks . Of course I landed the kite right away.
There was no sign of any thunder or lightning. We figure that the hail is getting charged.

Does anyone know what’s really going on here? DR Lozza?

oh yeah Chas was wearing booties, me no.

trevor1
trevor1
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7 Aug 2007 1:29pm
kiting in hail???
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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7 Aug 2007 4:16pm
HARD CORE!
laurie
laurie
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7 Aug 2007 4:19pm
quote:
Originally posted by choicey
Does anyone know what’s really going on here? DR Lozza?



Maybe you're just an electric kiter choicey? Freaky stuff .. maybe the old power station nearby has still got some life in it?
poor relative
poor relative
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7 Aug 2007 2:21pm
Sean was probably charged
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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7 Aug 2007 4:49pm
Although you can not see it there is electricity in the air, your kite becomes statically charged so the longer you lift off the ground for the more static builds up in your kite and when you touch back down the larger the shock. Well thats my guess anyway, seems reasonable.
Charl dv
Charl dv
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7 Aug 2007 8:06pm
yea this happend to me a few times while kiting Pine Harbour in Auckland on overcast days. although no lightning is present there are still charged air particles near the surface and i assume that they can pass on a charge to the kite/ ur wetty and board. the lines are nylon and are no good for conducting so i think its your wetsuit and or board n straps getting statically charged.
Il ask my Chem and Physics teachers 2moro
manicskier
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8 Aug 2007 2:05am
quote:
Originally posted by Charl dv

the lines are nylon and are no good for conducting



Unless there wet, then they will.

But nylon also apparently conducts electricity at high voltages.... Whats the potential difference between a storm cloud and the earth, several million volts i believe...

Good luck with that theory.


choicey
choicey
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10 Aug 2007 12:33pm
So would I get static shocks if, I had no kite and was wearing a wettie and a nylon jacket. Then jump up and down on the beach in a hail storm?
GreenPat
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10 Aug 2007 1:17pm
Possibly, I think you should try it out at the next available opportunity. Make sure someone is videoing it too...
manicskier
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10 Aug 2007 3:06pm
Yeah, give that a go, maybe wear a woolen jumper over the wettie and a large nylon jacket, so it can slide back and forth as your jumping and create a charge all in it self, it may attract some higher voltage action from above

Its odd that you received shocks with the subsequent steps aswell though, I thought that the charge would have dissipated in one go, unless your were creating/receiving the charge constantly...??
coastflyer
coastflyer
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11 Aug 2007 5:13pm
I can't believe it! this is truly shocking!!
Robbo2099
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13 Aug 2007 1:53pm
I've seen this before as well. I put the question to Dr. Karl a few years ago. If you go to the Dr Karl site on the ABC online site and search for kites and shock or something like that you'll find his reply. Cheers, Rob
Robbo2099
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13 Aug 2007 1:57pm
www.abc.net.au/

Here it is.
manicskier
manicskier
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14 Aug 2007 4:48am
quote:
Originally posted by Robbo2099

www.abc.net.au/

Here it is.



From that link:
Dr Karl has told a story about a lookout in the US where a girl took a photo of her hair standing on end. A few minutes later lightning hit that lookout and killed the people still there. The buildup of charge that resulted in the strike was causing her hair to repel itself.

I think its that too, but less serious cause the kite reaches up higher. But still concerning, i'd be putting the kite down if i started feel that.

Cool
echostorm
echostorm
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14 Aug 2007 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by choicey

So would I get static shocks if, I had no kite and was wearing a wettie and a nylon jacket. Then jump up and down on the beach in a hail storm?



probably not but it sure would look funny
Charl dv
Charl dv
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14 Aug 2007 12:34pm
yea i asked my physics and Chem teachers today. both said that its to do with the charged air particles rubbing against the rubber of te wetsuit that can give the suit a static charge. they mentioned something about the spreader bar attracting the charge also.

and yes nylon does conduct but only when wet or at extremely high voltage.

we are actually doing electricity in physics now and doing alota stuff with static electricity i tink the board itself could produce a static charge as it has an abs layer. also they spoke about the humidity and moisture in the air making it harder for the suit to build a strong charge therefore it releases the charge more frequently resulting in those lil shocks ya get.

hope my random questioning at school helped
choicey
choicey
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14 Aug 2007 3:06pm
Thanks all for your input, sound's like we may have to get Myth Busters on the job. I did get the "feeling" at the time that the shocks were increasing in strength and there may be a big belt on the way
frant
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14 Aug 2007 3:18pm
Haven't you guys ever heard of Benjamin Franklin.
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
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14 Aug 2007 1:19pm
You're kite and lines are basically an aircraft, they move thu the air and as the air passes over them negative ions in the air build up on the kite and generally this would happen more if you're travelling in one direction, the potential difference as explained before is the difference in the amount of static build up on the kite and the static build up on you (when not earthed) being on water and it hailing would change things, the hail would not be electrically conductive, but lowering the temperature of the kite would make it more electrically conductive, allowing for a bigger charge.

ive got a whole book on aircraft electrics and ****e like that when i used to work on planes... eg, when Helis winch people off boats in newcastle or out of the water, they have to let the rope touche the ground/water first as it builds up a static charge from the rotors moving thru the air-->>which then goes into you...
choicey
choicey
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14 Aug 2007 11:59pm
quote:
Originally posted by frant

Haven't you guys ever heard of Benjamin Franklin.


Yeah maybe old Ben had heaps of breakin's at his local spot so he keept his keys on his kite line.
I keep my keys in a surf lock (plug)when parked at the beach.
My Mates whole car got ripped off a few months ago .
Im not sure what's worse , Static shock or getting all your $#it ripped off, when you get back.[}:)]
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