Simply Yes or no ?

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mark h
mark h
WA
28 posts
WA, 28 posts
15 Jan 2009 4:53pm
Yes
RedKite
RedKite
VIC
66 posts
VIC, 66 posts
15 Jan 2009 7:00pm
NO
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
15 Jan 2009 7:05pm
yes
pfr
pfr
NSW
156 posts
pfr pfr
NSW, 156 posts
15 Jan 2009 7:25pm
why does self regulating have to involve a licence? we can self regulate without licences.

No for licences, yes for self regulation

Bringing licences into kiteboarding will make the sport turn into what jetskis have become. we will be quickly fazed and no one will be able to afford to kiteboard due to licences, insurance, rego etc...

wake up to yourselves! licences is definately NOT THE WAY TO GO!!!
blow in
blow in
NSW
103 posts
NSW, 103 posts
15 Jan 2009 7:45pm
seems to be a lot of focus on licencing...

What if the only requirement was that kiters need to be insured with aksa and when so they are provided with an individual registration number and say 5 tags to be placed on their different kites.

That way all kiters are insured and a lot more accountable for their own actions.

Pete.
pezza
pezza
WA
155 posts
WA, 155 posts
15 Jan 2009 6:01pm
hey wave slave it seems you have something personal with kitehard why dont you call him and vent your frustration so other people dont have to read your crap. if you have an opinion to put on the forum dont make it personal, or if you choose to make it a personal thing why dont you attach a photo of yourself so everyone knows who the tosser is behind the idiotic statements that you make.

well im guessing that might take the heat off darren for five minutes
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
VIC, 701 posts
15 Jan 2009 9:46pm
If the option is between self regulation or enforced regulation, I choose to be the master of my own destiny (in as much as I can).

Reluctantly and only in the hope that it protects the sport we all love...... YES


juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Jan 2009 10:24pm
NO Way,
There will still be Kooks, it will not stop anything All it will do is make KookS into Licenced KookS and cost everybody more
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
15 Jan 2009 10:34pm
Wavey, you remind me of Howard Cosell, play by play with a slant.....fark it is hot tonight.....makes me want to stay up all night and be crazy.
Era
Era
WA
86 posts
Era Era
WA, 86 posts
15 Jan 2009 10:58pm
who's going to police it???????? keep it how it is there's knob's in every ,GET OVER IT!
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
16 Jan 2009 12:30am
License, as in: basic competencey certification similar to a skippers ticket for powerboats?

YES!

And why not? You're a marine craft moving at speed. You need to know & obey the rules.

With on the spot fines for non-compliance, and parents responsible for offences by minors.
harrysurfer
harrysurfer
WA
254 posts
WA, 254 posts
16 Jan 2009 1:28am
NO
kiter01
kiter01
QLD
72 posts
QLD, 72 posts
16 Jan 2009 8:51am
You dont need a license for any sailboat if it hasnt got a motor and last time i

checked i dindnt have a 2 stroke merc on the back of my board so NO why would

we bring in extra expenses to a sport that is expensive already.

I think someone wants to do a whole lot of paper work so chicks come up to you

and say do you have to be strong for that and then you put your undies on the outside

of your pants and draw an "S" on your shirt and say no baby but i got this little

piece of paper that makes me a hero tho does that count.

doesnt really make sense to have a licence on a free sport next thing we will be

endorced on every size kite we fly and wearing L plates when we are learning.i
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
QLD, 6160 posts
16 Jan 2009 10:44am
It simply wont happen.

What about surfing, windsurfing, SUP. If they make it a liscence they are obliged to have the manpower to police it. The only people that can do that in AUS are coppers, and they aren't about to have police run around on the beach chasing kite tickets.

All that will happen is they will say that due to accidents kitesurfing is banned from XXX beach orwithin 300m of this zone or swimmers in the water etc etc
isn't there a ban on bodi?

also i believe Scuba diving isn't really a lsicence. Its an industry based certification that all the members agree not to fill tanks if you aren't certified for the good of their business. I get mine filled all the time by a non-scuba place (mine servicing place) and they don't care if I have license. Also I have been certified but never had to show my card on any paid dives I've done. There's no regulation or enforcement. It's just an industry bull**** card.

no from me
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
16 Jan 2009 9:46am
NO
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
16 Jan 2009 11:58am
myusernam said...

It simply wont happen.

What about surfing, windsurfing, SUP. If they make it a liscence they are obliged to have the manpower to police it. The only people that can do that in AUS are coppers, and they aren't about to have police run around on the beach chasing kite tickets.

All that will happen is they will say that due to accidents kitesurfing is banned from XXX beach orwithin 300m of this zone or swimmers in the water etc etc
isn't there a ban on bodi?

also i believe Scuba diving isn't really a lsicence. Its an industry based certification that all the members agree not to fill tanks if you aren't certified for the good of their business. I get mine filled all the time by a non-scuba place (mine servicing place) and they don't care if I have license. Also I have been certified but never had to show my card on any paid dives I've done. There's no regulation or enforcement. It's just an industry bull**** card.

no from me


So you are saying no lives have been saved by the introduction of scuba certifications and that its all a commercial scam?
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
16 Jan 2009 10:12am
licensing may never happen but regulation sure as heck will.

http://www.towsurf.com.au/Towing%20advice.htm

Check the NSW regulations introduced for tow surfing.
My bet is that Qld will soon follow suit as I've heard a lot of cockroaches drive up to queersland when the swells hit to avoid the rules and $800 fine for non compliance.


Kiting will surely follow when there have been enough complaints of incidents and accidents caused by f*wits and kooks at popular bathing beaches !
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
16 Jan 2009 12:40pm
OMG it is a sad day........when the government starts giving advice on how to go about tow surfing...but f$#% when was the last time a tow surfer endangered the public etc.... It is usually 10ft + reef breaks in the middle of nowhere....

those who want to stick their heads in the sand take note.....if they are regulating this we are not far off it ourselves.
KiteAction
KiteAction
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
16 Jan 2009 12:59pm
I hate rules and reg's one of the main joys of kiting for me is the simplicity of it all.We have enough hoops to jump through in this life! Why make more? Hang on I know....$$$
stompinlife
stompinlife
NT
22 posts
NT, 22 posts
16 Jan 2009 1:11pm
BIG NO..... iv'e seen what licencing as done for other sports. and it won't solve anything.. it's about education. its up to the veteran kiters to pass on the knowledge to raise the level in the sport.... Iv'e seen the biggest cook out on the water been given a instructors ticket... I have introduced and taught many friends how to kite and kite safely and i don't have a ticket and they are 100% above those coming out of those courses...

It's a simple solution take pride in what u teach as a reflection of your ability's

remember we were all kook when we started.... its called learning....WAKE UP
Morg
Morg
QLD
129 posts
QLD, 129 posts
16 Jan 2009 1:47pm
No. But hey have a go all those who say yes cos theres no way I'm going to conform. Oohh I'll get fined or my gear confiscated you say oohh, I doubt it, the idea of kiting in more remote spots away from all the yes kooks sounds fine to me. Some of the spots we have here are only accessible by 4wd and take a bit of effort to get to so I can't see some clown making the effort to try and fine us.
lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
16 Jan 2009 5:35pm
au_rick said...

Yes, IF they also regulate poleys, surfers, boogers, kids on inflatables and everything else that floats.




They do regulate surfers, ie surf outside blue flags

Poleys dont have huge arse lines that get in peoples way
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
QLD, 6160 posts
16 Jan 2009 4:37pm
Saffer said...

myusernam said...

It simply wont happen.

What about surfing, windsurfing, SUP. If they make it a liscence they are obliged to have the manpower to police it. The only people that can do that in AUS are coppers, and they aren't about to have police run around on the beach chasing kite tickets.

All that will happen is they will say that due to accidents kitesurfing is banned from XXX beach orwithin 300m of this zone or swimmers in the water etc etc
isn't there a ban on bodi?

also i believe Scuba diving isn't really a lsicence. Its an industry based certification that all the members agree not to fill tanks if you aren't certified for the good of their business. I get mine filled all the time by a non-scuba place (mine servicing place) and they don't care if I have license. Also I have been certified but never had to show my card on any paid dives I've done. There's no regulation or enforcement. It's just an industry bull**** card.

no from me


So you are saying no lives have been saved by the introduction of scuba certifications and that its all a commercial scam?



not at all. just that it's not a liscence. Police won't come and bust you cos your'e scuba diving without certification etc etc was just getting at legislation vs industry regulation. It's not legislated (as far as i know) that you must have a card. Only works cos the industry enforces it to a certain extent (would never stop you buying gear and a compressor and going out alone - your'e not breaking a rule) Point is the only thing the government will do is restrict access. its an easier and no cost option anyway. mandatory liscencing would cost heaps to write and enforce (which they are obliged to do after they legislate).

Which leads us back to industry self regulation. Scuba works because the shops arent supposed to fill your tanks without certification. Not so easy with kitesurfing. Retailers could agree to limit the sale of kites to only those that have completed an introductory course/lessons and have aksa membership i spose... would be a good duty of care thing.

still a nope

kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
16 Jan 2009 5:55pm
No thanks.
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
16 Jan 2009 7:09pm
No. Regulate fat old councillers and do gooders first. Stupid people shouldn't breed.
MRGRAY
MRGRAY
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
16 Jan 2009 5:56pm
I would like to see AKSA MEMBERSHIP mandatory ..then we would have a chance of educating those that are casting a dark shadow over the sport

NO to license

yes to tag on kite
keep surfin
keep surfin
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
16 Jan 2009 6:06pm
Yes...If need be.


what about AKSA putting more focus on education eg signs at popular KS beaches etc!!!

Down south at popular breaks like Margies, they have erected signs reminding surfers about the surf rules an about not dropping in etc. Would something like this work?

blow in
blow in
NSW
103 posts
NSW, 103 posts
16 Jan 2009 9:14pm
well i asked the question so i had better keep the tally...

so far the definately yes runs in at 18 votes and

definately no runs in at 20 votes

more interestingly over 1000 people read the question and so far only 57 have replied.

This tells me that the majority of kiters in Australia who read seabreeze dont see the need for some sort of regulation or just dont care.

Either way at least were getting some idea of what we all think hey

Pete

dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
16 Jan 2009 7:55pm
nope.....registration/licensing....what for?

waste of cash

just like insurance,
drivers license renewal,
speeding fines
........................
gesper
gesper
NSW
518 posts
NSW, 518 posts
16 Jan 2009 10:19pm
I believe that most of the D.......HEADS out there are people that dont even look at this website. Soooo licences and registration for them and NO to us responsible members of Seabreeze who,I would hope learn from feedback posted on this site. Happy and safe kiting to all.
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