Slingshot RPM question

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LargePiece
LargePiece
32 posts
32 posts
21 Apr 2013 4:57pm
Crikey! Foolish Slingshot don't send out a manual with their kites (not to mention a darned pump!) which would be fine if I hadn't just got into kiteboarding and actually knew what I was doing and the Slingshot website wasn't so ****house it actually let you download a manual.

So anyways, I'm trying to figure out what the different knots on the lines do. As far as I can tell from trawling forums and youtube, the top knot on the steering lines is good in light winds and the bottom knot handy for high winds.

1) So am I correct here? I got most of this info from a Cabrinha video! (Slingshot -10.)

2) I also can't find any info in the 3 knots on the bridle lines. What do the different ones there do?

3) And finally, the cleat just in front of the safety loop that appears to let me shorten both bridles lines, what's that for?

Anyone keen to help a noob out? :):)

PS: Ace forum by the way. Much of the decent information I've been able to get on all things kitesurfing has been from helpful posts from people here. :)
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
21 Apr 2013 8:03pm
Sounds like you need to pay for some lessons mate, this is very basic stuff that your instructor should have taught you......
LargePiece
LargePiece
32 posts
32 posts
21 Apr 2013 6:09pm
Yeah... thanks for that mate. Have had two lessons but the instructor didn't go into kite setup in a big way. One of my friendshas been at it a couple of years and he doesn't seem too bothered about which knots to use (just always goes for the middle ones) or the cleat trim things.

Anyways, if anyone could give some info relevant to the questions I've posed, that would be awesome!
JJB
JJB
QLD
115 posts
JJB JJB
QLD, 115 posts
21 Apr 2013 8:51pm
just put it on the middle ones, its not super important.

However I am worried about you asking about the cleat, which is the depower and vitally important part of kite use. Did you learn on a cabrinha, zeeko or something else with a different depower system?
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
21 Apr 2013 9:46pm
Best advice mate would be take your new kite to an instructor or shop that knows what they are doing, to teach you how yo use it properly so you don't kill yourself....Also, it is pretty important which knots you use as this effects the power/de-power you have in a BIG way....
polykarb
polykarb
VIC
284 posts
VIC, 284 posts
22 Apr 2013 12:13am
Where abouts in New Zealand are you from?

The knots allow you to make small adjustment to line lengths, this effects the power/sheeting of kite.

Rear knots (closest to kite)= shorter lines.

If you put all 4 lines on same knots you'r making no adjustment, this is what you should be doing.

But so you know:-

Short front lines depowers/sheets kite and allows kite to fly further forward in wind window.

Short rear lines is more power but can also cause kite to stall and/or fly further back in wind window.

You can also change position of where lines attach to kite, what this will do to performance is actually printed on the kite so should be fairly straight forward.

You prob will not notice any difference while learning, but it could make learning more difficult, you will be hooked in and making all kinds of other mistakes. Good luck!

It's really important to totally understand how everything works, plus what to do when something goes wrong.

You will have kitemares. But don't get scared, get more lessons.

To answer your original questions:-

Use first knots. (At the end furthest from kite)

Set pigtail positions to:-

Less power setting for front lines.
Less bar pressure setting for rear lines.

Once you can stay upwind in both directions and have kite control go back and have a play around with the knots and pigtails and see if you can feel the difference.

Hope this helps.

Stay safe.



LargePiece
LargePiece
32 posts
32 posts
22 Apr 2013 7:57am
Thanks for the info on knots polykarb, that clarifies things quite a bit. I'd read in a few other places it's best to get sorted with your riding and then look at going back to adjust things to see how it affects the kite's flying. Seems like a good plan. At least now I know what the different know positions are meant to do!

I live out at Murawai on the west coast of Auckland. Was super keen for something to do in winter when it gets real big and onshore and surfing (or long drives) aren't an option so kiteboarding seemed to fit the bill nicely. I had no idea it was going to turn out to be so awesome though. Luckily we have an inland harbour here too - I'll be staying on flat water for quite a while yet before tackling any surf on the beach.

In terms of the depower cleat JJB, the lessons I had were on a Ozone Catalyst, although I don't remember what kind of depower system it had. What sorts of instance do you use the depower trim? Like if things get real funky, I'd imagine I'm popping the 1st safety (had a tangled line kitemare from doing that once out in the water all ready) but when would I do be trimming to depower outside of that? If the wind radically picks up? If I just want to tweak it a little during a session?
NeTRaVeR
NeTRaVeR
NSW
61 posts
NSW, 61 posts
22 Apr 2013 11:08am
I strongly suggest you pack your kite up and take it to a pro or shop that can train you on the various aspects of this kite. Slingshot RPMs are great kites and fly well but can be super dangerous if rigged up incorrectly.

Where did you buy the kite from and do you know what year model this is?

I would suggest possibly taking it back to where you bought it from and getting them to talk you through the details.
cutch
cutch
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
22 Apr 2013 10:14am
Yeah man, just book one more lesson with your new kite & you'll be in business. You now own a great kite, I wouldn't be hassling Slingshot because you didn't get what you thought from an online shop - you're lucky to get a bar & lines included!

There's plenty of threads on the newbies forum to answer all your questions about correctly trimming your kite, but someone needs to run you through the basics on the beach. Trust me it will be money well spent. Enjoy your new sport.
Spitfire
Spitfire
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
22 Apr 2013 11:20am
Can i have your crisp new kite after youve drowned?
polykarb
polykarb
VIC
284 posts
VIC, 284 posts
22 Apr 2013 2:25pm
Murawai is awesome for kiting, there is also plenty of SS riders in your area.

The RPM's are not aimed at beginner market, I can't help but think a RALLY would have suited you better, especially if headed for the surf.

But.....

With regard to depower, it's below the bar on SS bars which is really helpful if you start riding unhooked and want depower right at your fingertips.
LargePiece
LargePiece
32 posts
32 posts
23 Apr 2013 4:50am
Thanks guys, this has been helpful. Didn't mean to come off raging at Slingshot in particular. Just blows me away (haha, a kiting pun) how bad the websites are with some big companies. Seems like they'd have the budget to make manual downloads etc accessible.

Had a chat to one of the instructors down at Pt Chev yesterday about the Slingshot in particular which was also helpful. It's a 2013 btw. I realise it's not a beginners kite but didn't particularly want to spend a few k and then want something different at the same size in a year or so. Call me cocky if you want but I don't have a cash tree in the back yard. And yeah, you can have my kite when I drown samokta, just pm me your credit card details so I can verify your address.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
23 Apr 2013 6:29pm
Winter Loft Candidate
bobjaan
bobjaan
WA
314 posts
WA, 314 posts
24 Apr 2013 2:07pm
Send an email to the guys at board crazy in nsw and they will sort out a copy of the instruction manual that usually does come with the kite.

Find a euro and steal their pump. Probably not theirs anyway
seb2
seb2
VIC
231 posts
VIC, 231 posts
28 Apr 2013 8:22pm
Paul1 said...
Sounds like you need to pay for some lessons mate, this is very basic stuff that your instructor should have taught you......


Actually that is not part of lessons. There is a lot to teach and details like that add confusion and are forgotten immediately.
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