Hey all,

I snapped one of my lines the other day on a wave and am about to tie it all back together. Coming from a rockclimbing background with a little experience in fishing I am debating which knot to tie.

I know of plenty of ways to join the lines but WHICH one...
a. wont snap i.e. a knot that spreads the load over the knot equally so its not straining on one point
or
b. wont come undone

I have narrowed the choices down to the following. Can people offer suggestions on the following knots.

1. Double overhand aka Water knot. A very solid kont but will it spread the pressure over a larger area to avoid snapping???

2. Dbl Fishermans knot. Spreads the load a little more and is a neat knot and can possibly be undone with a little chewing.

3. Blood Knot. Spreads the pressure over a large area but cannot ever be undone. A very strong knot, but is it too strong (does it clamp down and create more strain then a fishermans knot when under intense pressure long term?

any other knots someone could suggest? I am desperate to get out in this NE tomorrow so any help is appreciated.

Dude - don't re-tie your broken line. If it was weak enough to break under normal operating conditions before being knotted then it doesn't stand much of a chance with a knot in it.

If you decide to use the line anyway then perhaps you could move it to the rear lines to reduce the load. My strong recommendation would be not to re-use the line at all though.

Munter it is the rear line. they are also a brand new slingshot lines and I dont want to replace them. Lucky the wave didnt rip my kiet instead!

fishermans hands down, use at least a double but i would go a triple (pack and pre-stress it properly) - you will never want to untie it anyway...

a double fishermans will NOT undo easily once you load it up a lot. but then again thats a good thing! it has excellent cyclic, static, and dynamic load properties, as well as always dressing itself correctly. If you put a stopper on it by tying an overhand knot around the line then it is all but failsafe, as well as being very compact.

Rethreaded Figure Eight is actually "Better" because you can untie it more easily (a little bit at least), but it is a chunkier knot and is significantly weakened if you do not "pack" or "dress" it correctly.

i doubt you will undo a blood knot once it loads up properly if you use anything other than fishing line - plus it's a "messy" knot

a water knot is better (stronger) for tapes & webbing rather than rope, string or line. plus its not great with cyclic loading and can "undo" itself.

The Albright Knot is a death knot - dont use it on anything you need to stay tied.

see caves.org/section/vertical/nh/50/knotrope.html for one comparison or knots with static and dynamic loads.

wach out though as you have created a nice snag point for your other lines... I would either shorten the lines or buy new ones and keep these as spares.

is it possible i am more paranoid than silviu?????

Where did it break, near one of the ends or sewn sleeves?

I've tried all those knots, the only one that worked ok on spectra/dyneema was the fishermans knot, with at least 3 twists.

Eventually, you will break it again though, and losing a rear line again may end up with you have a nasty end to you day.

If the line broke near an end, cut all of the lines the same length and re-sleeve and either sew or tie loops in them.

You could just do 2 lines (use them for rears) and then make small extensions to make them the same as the other pair/fronts?

We sell a sleeving kite for $10, extra sleeving is 50c a metre.

A new line set (Ozone) that is stronger than any other brand that I know of, and better priced!

http://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_16490_Ozone_360kg_Linesets_cat_315.html

Cya and

Knotssuck

Steve McCormack

yeah but over time they will wear and break at the knot a lot quicker than the new lines

I agree with steve if the break is within a couple of m of the end of the line cut them all and resleve them. Otherwise seriously consider buying new lines - because knowing my mate murphy the WILL break at the worst possible time...

Climbing? Nah - too much like hard work - and it would ruin my long nails - lots of fishing, sailing and lessons in the school of hard knocks though...

Steve - please note knots do not suck as long as there are about 15-35 of them...

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Originally posted by GalahOnTheBay


Steve - please note knots do not suck as long as there are about 15-35 of them...

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There is a school of hard knots, and if you failed, and came out of the school not knowing lots about knots then, the parting advice from the principle knotter was to use lots of knots when you don't know knots.

Cya and

Knotssuck

Steve McCorknot