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Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
5 Aug 2006 9:56pm
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Bware of squalls .Most people who have been seriously injured or killed have been smashed by a squall.(many are experienced riders )Don't wait for the cloud to be right overhead .Remember the wind usually preceeds the cloud in the cloudburst.
Don't be lulled into any false sense of security.PREPARE AND BEWARE !!

Kite fun and safe

Cheers

Lach
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
5 Aug 2006 8:03pm
Mr Float,
Thanks for the sermon.
But you neglected to tell the crew what they should do in case of a big bad squall.

Carry on.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
5 Aug 2006 11:07pm
Wavey's right and so is Loch,

In the event of an oncoming squall, head away from the beach as far as practical and if it gets really crazy put your kite into the water on the edge of the wind window which faces away from the land with pressure oon the side of the bar that keeps the kite down, and just wait it out, at least it will slowly pull you away from danger.

Most squalls only last 10 minutes and return to a more moderate wind strength. If however the wind is in to stay and the wind is dead onshore, use the quick release and flag the kite out on the safety leash well before you get too close to shore and again wait it out or go to the winding the lines method but only worry about one line, use the bar as a fulcrum to pullon the lines, do not use your hands (see the tips and tricks page of our site for details).

Squal kiting can be fun if you have the appropriate skills and knowledge and so long as you CONTINUE TO WATCH THE ONCOMING WEATHER AT ALL TIMES.

See you on the water on Monday, looks like it will be a hoot! Go big!

Good winds,





ellery
ellery
VIC
187 posts
VIC, 187 posts
6 Aug 2006 8:49am
I want to make a decision before the actual event as to what i am going to do.

In regards to putting your kite out to the opposite direction to land, that would probably be one of my last ideas!

I understand land is dangerous, but you can't drown on land. I would think i would start to head back to land and even say 50 m before i got to land i would pull my safety. You don't even have to pull the kite above you and slow down, just unhook and let the kite flag out and then just sit and wait.

With your theory i can see myself being washed out for quite some distance. Then even if the squall does go through after 10 mins, the wind still might be howling, so i'm way out with an overpowered kite. I still have to come back to land at some stage, but now i would be less inclined to pull my safety as i'm so far out from land.

Interested in your thoughts
James
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
6 Aug 2006 9:11am
My post was basically a reminder to not f*** with squalls .How many times have I seen guys stay out there just for one more minute and get nailed .Same goes with thunderstorms .Have a little bit less time on the water to live to ride another day.its an old hang gliding policy that seemed to work.
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
6 Aug 2006 10:07am
I have to agree, always err on the side of caution when it comes to kiting stormies.

I love kiting stormies, the surf is always solid and the crowd is down.

A few good ideas, check the rain radar on this site before you go.
I always put up a smaller kite than I think I need. Its better to be underpowered in the lulls than smashed when a gust does come though. As soon as I can see the rain coming, or think its about to hit I dump my kite early. Its better to have a squall go past and then put your kite back up than think it will miss and get nailed by it.
Even if that means sorting out your lines again.

Anyone who has been in a scary incident knows how fast they can happen and a quick release isnt fail safe. If you do get nailed by a squall, 50m in 1 second isnt out of the question. I have seen it, and experienced it. Its not fun.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
6 Aug 2006 5:50pm
I reckon one of the biggest problems is that the whole marketing strategy behind the new kites coming out give some a false sense of security. "Depower 300%!" etc.
I know cause Im one of them...Ive had my 12 vegas 06 in 30 knots and on a surfboard so judging by the range, I reckon I could handle my 7 in some strong winds...but I know its stupid so I won't do it.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
6 Aug 2006 6:00pm
Squall kiting is a thinking-mans sport.

As Corey suggested,
when you feel the first spits of rain from that threatening grey thunderhead,
and you're fairly close to the beach,
dump the bitch.
By the time you've sorted out the spaghetti, the squall will have passed,
and it's back on the water.
That action requires self-discipline and ego-trashing.

However, if you are a good distance from the beach when the mofo hits you,
do what Kitehard suggested and head back out to sea.
Of course heading out to sea is totally against your natural instinct.
The normal reaction to danger is to run for home, tail between your legs.
But the open sea is your friend when a squall is rag-dolling you.
The beach is where all the sh1t happens.

MikeN
MikeN
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
7 Aug 2006 2:50pm
Its a very different kind of day out there today .

Cory and I were out at Scarbs for a couple of hours and it is all arse about today .
Super gusty and not just in the rain squals , a couple of bullets coming through with no warning at all , other than about 2 foot high spray traveling horizontally across the water .

Also lots of water moving , difficult to get out the back at times .

Even with the rain radar not showing anything it doesn't mean its ok to go out .

Thought I would be safe on my 4m unfortunately the wind has got huge holes in it that kept on finding me as I was about to try and climb over a couple of the bombs that were coming through .
Ended up on my 7m and could only just park it and hang on in some of the gusts .

It wasn't much fun , a good day to give it a miss .
It is definitely not as good as it looks .
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
7 Aug 2006 4:00pm
Hey Mike,

I had a ride at Trigg today on the 7.0 Halo at around 3pm and it wasn't so much gusty but definately strong and the swell was huge. A bit too onshore to get any more than a turn or two on the good waves. Problem was too much speed at the bottom of the turn as you came up for another shot at the top. Slack lines in 35-40 knots on a 3m bomb is about as scary as it gets for me.

I agree, not a lot of fun with so much onshore, but it looks good for a surf over the next day or two, keen?

Good winds,

Hardcarve1
Hardcarve1
QLD
550 posts
QLD, 550 posts
7 Aug 2006 7:08pm
One thing you have to remember is the leading edge of a squall may have uplift added to the wind strength. I have seen lots of squalls where you can see the leading edge wind and mist travelling in a rolling motion. You may hold a certain kite in strong wind but the uplift may easily have you lofted. I agree with Mr Float 100% and get away from land as much as posible.
I just refuse to kite in unstable weather now and just like to watch the uneducated go out in the stuff. One thing years of sailboarding did to me was always look over your shoulder upwind with every new run and scan the water surface for signs of wind strength. I dont see to many people do this in unstable weather these days.
I must also add that I was witness to a group of kiters a few years ago hit by a wind squall that had no sign of low cloud and no tel tale of the white mist of death in front of it, so looking upwind is no sure fire way of knowing. I have also noticed sailing in Moreton Bay that squalls in the northern bay behave differently and have different strength to those in the central and southern bay. This is another good reason to ask the locals about a area if your new.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
7 Aug 2006 5:39pm
quote:
Slack lines in 35-40 knots on a 3m bomb is about as scary as it gets for me.


Fcking hell

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
7 Aug 2006 6:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard

Slack lines in 35-40 knots

Good winds,





40 knots is death.
Today was death by kite.
Ballsy.
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