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stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
24 Jul 2005 2:50pm
I see that there is a new way to treat the stings of the Pacific man o war. I also see that there are reports of between 10 000 to 20 000 stings from these critters on the east coast (of aust) alone. They look like blue bottles, but they are generally larger, the balloon part is about 3 to four inches long, and they have more than just one tentacle, they have a sort of cluster hanging under them but you probably wouldn't notice that part. The research in the article was undertaken at Newcastle and examines 96 stings over the period of 2 summers.....so why haven't I seen or heard of them? I live here! Has anyone on this forum ever been stung by one?

Any takers?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
24 Jul 2005 4:09pm
Hey Stnkygoat,

I've sailed completely around Australia back in '88 and never noticed the PG M-O-W. seen some bloody big Blueys though (up to 3-4 inches long, but definately Blueys), and had more than my fair share of the little buggers around various body parts. Even had a piece of tentacle go up the inside of my spring suit leg once whilst kiting when hit by a wave. The tentacle lodged and was held in place against my inner thigh by the wetty. (Lucky it didn't go any further )

Didn't feel anything for a few seconds then Holy sh1T batman, major hurties! Ever tried kiting along in the surf and trying to roll up the leg of your springy to try and find a 1cm piece of Bluey tentacle given you what for? It's not pretty!

Ah summer in Sydney, the glorious joy the Nor Easter brings, and with it one of natures most hideous creatures - Definately Yin and Yang! No Blueys on the west Coast

Good winds

122 posts
24 Jul 2005 6:31pm
I thought one lived in the Pacific and the other in the Atlantic.(some distant memory of UNI) To the casual observer they are all blueys. We may well have seen them but not been able to distinguish the differences.

I worked on the water in Queensland for nearly twenty years and I`ve never seen one. Never thought "Oh look, that`s a Pacific m-o-w not Portugese m-o-w".

I have been nailed by a few blueys that hurt lots more than normal even to the point of scarring my arm for years. Retrospectively, I wonder if they were Pacific and not Portugese?

There could well be some cross over or possibly transportation from one ocean to the other via ballast tanks in ships. Just hypothesis.

Or maybe they are this decades mutant ninja turtles, mutant ninja blueys!

As for treatment I think the best for anthing the nails you in the ocean is hot water. It works because the toxins/poisons used by the vast majority of sea creatures only work in normal ocean temperatures, 1-38 celcius. When this temperature range is exceeded then the poisons enzymes breakdown and stop working.

The glaucus atlanticus is our best friend! check this link.

http://www.imagequest3d.com/catalogue/surfacedrifters/pages/j051_jpg.htm

Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
24 Jul 2005 11:53pm
Bring on the Glaucus Atlanticus! Respect!!!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
25 Jul 2005 12:42am
Well I'll be ....
"glaucus atlanticus" - a mindless marine monopode
And here I was with visions of this new gung-ho forum surfer ...
"Glaucus Atlanticus" ? fearless fiery-eyed chariot-racing champion.
Or praps
"Glaucus Atlanticus" ? battle-scarred, victoriously glorified, gladiatorial goliath.

Couldnt have been more wrong huh - just a slimy ol' sea slug ....
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
25 Jul 2005 8:35am
Blue bottle and Portugese man-o-war are both common names for the same animal, Physalia physalis. It is actually a colonial hydroid, with lots of different animal units or zooids making up the colony. Google "physalia" and you'll find heaps of info.

First Aid: for all marine cnidarians (physalia, box jelly, irukandji) first aid is now flood with vinegar and then use pressure bandage if severe. Ice can also help with physalia.

Prevention is always best cure - cover up with lycra if you are in tropical waters, especially in summer and or if kiting well offshore.

Dr Andy Lewis
Marine biologist - Magnetic Island NQ
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
25 Jul 2005 9:16am
if physalia physalis is the common name for both blue bottles and m-o-wars, then what is Physalia utriculus?...I thought physalia was the genus name for the 3 types of blue floaty bastards.....

I am easily confused and not very bright....and so the other question is.. (thank god for the QLD Dr who knows this stuff)...I thought that Pacific man-owars produce a systemic effect, rather than a local one - i.e they make you have heart palpitations and spew a lot, (neurotoxins?) not to mention having sore skin where they wrapped around you.

Basically, both blueys look so similar how could the people at newcastle university tell who got stung by what? Does the Pacific man o war consistently produce a systemic (noticable) effect?

Any readers here had more of an effect from a bluey sting than sore skin? Swollen lymph nodes? Spewing? Constricted breathing? HEART ATTACK???? And secondly, does the lycra work for blueys? I've only ever had them on exposed (leg and face) skin.
jester56
jester56
QLD
50 posts
QLD, 50 posts
25 Jul 2005 6:00pm
back in my surfing days i had a tentacle wrap around my arm in the shore break at miami . it was about 6mm diameter and about a metre long . hurt like hell . i went home had a shower and laid on my bed in agony the pain was throbbing up my arm . when the pain reached my sholder i must have passed out because i woke up about 2 hours later with all pain gone i thought i was going to die . i had read about man of wars with tentacles of up to 12metres long so i presumed that was what i was stung by don't ever want to get tangled up with one of them again
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
25 Jul 2005 6:05pm
If that is miami in florida then it was most likely a portuguese man o war - they get heaps of them in the summer. Portuguese ones are meaner (and bigger) than the pacifc ones apparently, so you are right in feeling agony. I do not envy you!
rez
rez
WA
354 posts
rez rez
WA, 354 posts
26 Jul 2005 8:56am
I was stung by a HUGE bluebottle last summer in Lancelin when kiting. It hit me behind my knee and as I kited back to the beach cursing it was flapping behind me in the wind only holding on by a tentacle!

I was soooo horrible! I started burning and then the venom must have started moving through my body and went to the glands in my groin and then in the armpits and down my arms!!!! I couldn't do anything but lay in the back of the car a whimper while my leg burned and my whole body throbbed and ached. It was a few hours before it wasn't hurting in my armpits anymore.

Ive been stung by all sorts of jellies and always have a bad reaction, think Im a little alergic.

The worst was in Malaysia when I was a grom. I was swimming with my brother and I started to swim like a jelly and said "Ha look at me Im a jellyfish!" Then as I was laughing I swung my arms behind my head and WHAM! I swam backwards into a jellyfish that was half a meter in diamter across the bell with MASSES of tentacles flowing behind them. The same thing happened with my armpits and I was in agony for the whole night aching and throbbing.( I was only a skinny kid so it was really bad) I had scars for about two years after that one!
jester56
jester56
QLD
50 posts
QLD, 50 posts
26 Jul 2005 10:19pm
hey stinky it was on the gold coast queensland so we do have big ones here
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
26 Jul 2005 8:42pm
Small blueys get washed up on the Mandurah beaches around late winter and early spring.
The blue bubbles become inflated in the warm sun and blow out skin-tight.
The kids and I walk along the beach and pop the suckers.
POp,poP,PoP,pOP.
Sick sh1t hey.
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