Stuck on a Island what kite?

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windslave
windslave
QLD
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QLD, 151 posts
30 May 2006 1:24pm
Had this convo with a mate the other day...

If you were only able to have one kite while you were stuck on a Island(that had steddy wind of course, size not important) which brand and style would you rellie on to see you through.remember no spare bladders,lines,glue,patches etc....

I chose a 2005 North Rhino.. not that I have ever owend one, just think they would have what it takes, well built and Tuff!

NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
30 May 2006 12:01pm
Would have to be my 8.5 or 7 Wipika 06 Matrix.
Tuff buggers and do all the tricks just right

And if I get blown off the island i can swim home - up wind
by releasing to 5th, do the freestyle and let it trail behind me.
quixand
quixand
WA
76 posts
WA, 76 posts
30 May 2006 3:47pm
I'll take my flysurfer warrior 9.3

Best kite I've ever flown (not that I've flown many).

And at night...a comfy matress
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
30 May 2006 5:17pm
I'd choose to have one of these kites www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19162&whichpage=2 ...

Let's face it, if it's a desert island and your stuck... how long would it be before you start feeling like Robinson Crusoe and begin to share long intimate moments with your "Man Hand Friday"?
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
30 May 2006 5:30pm
caution 12m spitfire 3.
NSW, 4382 posts
31 May 2006 6:35am
I was stuck on an Island at the weekend at a mates wedding. It was Magnetic Island, and it did blow, but only on the afternoon of the wedding, which was help on a beach facing the wind which picked up to around 15-20 knots!!
It was torture. The day before and the day after it also blew, but I missed the best part of each day because I was earning brownie points with the missus.
Got wet, got the kite wet, proved you cannot relaunch a kite in 5 knots, but did get a few runs at Arcadia on Sunday.
Arcadia, and the beach north of base backpackers both work well for the South east trades.

I took one kite and board, it was an Ozone Instinct 13M and FLX 1.52 x 44 Underground. I took the Instict because it has a big wind range, and excellent bottom end and I heard the winds would be light, hence the big board too.

In one golf bag, weighed 22kg with all my other gear in it. Virgin Blue asked no questions, the taxis were more of a hassle!

Could not see anyone out at Pallarenda on Sunday, was there meant to be a demo day or something?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

windslave
windslave
QLD
151 posts
QLD, 151 posts
31 May 2006 7:37am
Funny story Steve! at least you got wet!

I am more interested in the choice of kite pepole have in regards to pure reliability. size not important.Remember no spares etc...



GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4114 posts
QLD, 4114 posts
31 May 2006 8:20am
Despite the fact that 'they all come out of the same factory', Slingshot have what I think is a well earned reputation for rugged construction, and whatever model of that brand would suit the predicted conditions and style of riding would probably be my choice.

Having said that, it seems the 2004 model fuel had a construction issue in that after a while the valves would part company with the bladders they were joined to. It happened to me, and several people I know. The South African importer conceded this was a problem and replaced them for me. The Australian shop I bought it at knew nothing about it.

I'm off to trawl the web for more information about this, come to think of it. Or I could do some work I suppose, while I'm in the office at my computer and all...
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
31 May 2006 8:48am
waroo

simple,no fuss like one pump bits and pulley bars and good performance.
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
31 May 2006 8:50am
but i guess the best practical option would be a foil
(dare I say it!)
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
31 May 2006 7:10am
Foil or even an Arc (flying mattress = mattress at night) , not that I have ever used either , could be probs with punctures or a pump stuffing up with an inflatable , assuming your stranded as well as the isolated kind of stuck island scenario. “Oh Wilson “
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
31 May 2006 9:38am
you could also use a foil as a crab dilly, fish gill net and stuffed full of coconut husk: a doona!
limitless possibilities.
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
31 May 2006 12:34pm
Rhino 02 20, great hammock, enuf room to play footy under
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
31 May 2006 10:58am
I wouldnt care for kiting if Paulio's nan was there. We would play bridge for days on end.
If not then my Crossbow 12 would have to do.
the loopy chicken
the loopy chicken
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
31 May 2006 3:11pm
id take a bow...that way when it did break i wouldnt care
NeilT
NeilT
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
1 Jun 2006 6:14pm
To get back to the original question!!!

You would need a kite with:
low maintenance,
zero likelihood of leaking bladders/nozzles,
zero risk of a faulty/sandy pump,
very low chance of ever hitting the water,
very low likelihood of breaking even if hitting the water,
easy self-launch and self-landing,
wider than usual wind range (15 knts)in the one kite,
zero risk of bridle-line tangles,
good water re-launchability,

Is there something I've forgotten?

There's only one Venom!!! Ever noticed how there are NO copies???

cheers
NeilT











timetohang
timetohang
42 posts
42 posts
1 Jun 2006 7:02pm
Touche Neil! Only Way to go and keep going without the headaches.
Soonee
Soonee
VIC
147 posts
VIC, 147 posts
5 Jun 2006 6:44pm
I can relate totally to this. I was stuck on an island
BALI.

I had my North toro and bug(er me I broke the shaft on my pump. Do you know the kite shop at Sanur couldn't help me, I couldn't get a decent pump capable of pumping my kite in Denpaser. I glued my pump back toghether and proceeded very carefully.

All good for another 2 days and then relaunching and flipping kite onto back and riiipppppp. Split in the middle of the leading edge. Still under waranty, but end of kiting for the trip.

From now on I take a foil with me and if it gets wet it'll dry, but how often do you drop a kite these days
windslave
windslave
QLD
151 posts
QLD, 151 posts
6 Jun 2006 7:18am
Thanks guy's for SOME! of the interesting feed back looks like the PeterLyn kites are the Go!

All I need now is to get myself stranderd on a remote Island!!

Dreaming....ZZZZZZZZZ

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
6 Jun 2006 8:01am
if it's a frozen island you might want to consider this:


Newsletter, June ‘06

It’s not a recent discovery, nor even original I wouldn’t think (not wanting to give credit where it possibly isn’t deserved), but Australians have found two new uses for sheep:- meat and wool.

But here’s something that is new from Aus.- or by Aussies at least- a new use for a kite- a Venom 19 no less.

But I’m getting ahead of myself.



In (October?) 2004, Aussie Ben Deacon arrived on our doorstep fresh from having kite skied across Greenland.

A glutton for punishment, he’d decided to do it again- but sitting down (feeling his age maybe?).

Anyway, he wanted us to build him a ski buggy- and just wouldn’t take no for an answer when we explained the various reasons why conventional ski buggies probably wouldn’t be up to the job- as was shown by the well funded but completely unsuccessful attempt at a trans-Antarctic in ’02, photo attached.

The problem is steering; skiers get directional control by using a combination of weight transfer and ankle movements to make their ski’s tilt onto one edge and bend to the desired radius. When ski’s are attached to a chassis of some sort, the complex interactions that this requires are not available.

The usual steering system for ski equipped vehicles is therefore to use multiple short skis with one or two of them mounted on steerable pivots. Snowmobiles are an example.

Unfortunately, this type of steering is not nearly as efficient as tilting and bending because the skis sweep out a wider track when turning than when running straight. For snowmobiles, this extra drag can be countered by cracking open the throttle- but kite powered buggies don’t have this option- or rather they can steer this way, but will be left behind by more efficient kite skiers- which isn’t a good look.

I’d had a solution to this problem in mind for years but had never actually made it happen- until Ben came along with a well timed kick.

This solution is to bend the ski’s sideways- and to allow this, each ski is made of multiple longitudinal elements, able to slide lengthways relative to each other but dovetailed together to prevent their separating. The first KiteSled was built in just three days, and worked immediately.

A patent application was then filed.

Lack of useful testing conditions has been the main impediment to progress since then- NZ has snow in the winter but our winds are in summer. Most of the initial testing was therefore done in Australia- and in an advantageous spin-off, the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.) consequently made a KiteSled segment for their popular Catalyst program.

We did send a prototype KiteSled for trialing in Canada during their 05/06 winter but this was less than satisfactory as users reported a tendency for the tail to slide out - which had not manifested here nor in Australia, nor later in the trans-Greenland (but I’m getting ahead of myself again). Not being able to experience what was happening at first hand, for the next versions I reshaped and sharpened the ski’s central steel rib, and added extra adjustment for longer legged users- on the assumption that the reported oversteering was caused by some combination of hard ice (rather than snow)- and sitting too far back.

The next step, in preparation for their first trans-Antarctic was for Ben (and Patrick Spiers) to take two KiteSleds to Greenland.

In Ben’s own words:



Hi guys!!!
Just got back. Wow, what an incredible trip in the most severe arctic conditions. COLD!!!!!!!!! and windy, and windless.
The big news is the sled is a real success. We got it right. You all did the most amazing job in design and construction. The level of workmanship was so high, not a bolt came undone nor anything broke.
The real story of this trip was that the weather was far more extreme than we could have imagined. We were there a month earlier than my last trip, and we ran into a pattern of very violent storms followed by clear, cold calms with temperatures down to -40C. The result was we only got a fraction of the usable wind I got on my last trip. The pattern was often that the wind would pick up, we'd head off, then after a few hours we'd be enveloped in a white-out, with winds blowing over 30 knots. We'd put the kites down, fight to put the tent up (without it blowing away) then sit out the storm. We'd wake up the next morning to lighter winds, head off again, before the winds died a few hours later. There'd be a few days calm, then the cycle would repeat its self.

On one of the first nights, the temperature plunged, -30 odd. the sleeping bags we had- good enough for Everest, were nowhere near warm enough, and we shivered horribly all night. We knew it was going to get colder higher up, and we thought we might have to abort the trip. Then, V-19's to the rescue: Folded three ways as a bed-spread they increased the warmth of the bag by 20 or so degrees. In -40 our noses would sting from the cold where they poked out of the sleeping bag, but we were warm enough. They saved us! Needless to say, in conditions like this we weren't able to make the 1000km+ distances we'd hoped for. In the end we did a bit over 700km.
What we did get though, is the chance to test our gear and ourselves in the toughest polar conditions, and crucially in the whole range of conditions you actually get, rather than you hope to get. We found, as hoped that the sled is quite a bit faster than skis. Skis would become unstable at about 30-35 km/hour, where the sleds were quite happy at 40km/hour, loaded up with 100kg+. I reckon the sleds have a 20% speed advantage over skis, which is a hell of a lot. The seats were super- comfortable, and the ergonomics really good.
The surprising thing was how the sleds performed when there wasn't any wind. We could have chosen not to haul the sleds at all, but there were so many windless days we had no choice. We learned this a critical part of the sled's design- they need to be as efficient to drag as to sail. Here we got very close, but can still do some work to optimise the performance. So in short, we imagined we'd go to Greenland, get ideal conditions, and break records, instead we got the toughest weather that place can throw at you, and came away knowing we'd built a superior technology that can handle one of the toughest places on earth. Pat, Andrew and I are pretty psyched now for Antarctica. Our design is good, really good. I reckon the PL KiteSled will become the standard design for this sort of thing

Ben Deacon



Fantastic Ben (and Pat).

And – did you catch the new use for kites!– bye bye baa baa’s!



Peter Lynn

Ashburton,

June 1 ‘06.

NeilT
NeilT
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
6 Jun 2006 5:30pm
Hey Soonee,

I go to Bali most June-July's. Last year, first day I hear this local expat Swiss guy say to Mario (at the Sanur kite spot) "Hey Mario....have you got a spare leading edge bladder for my 2001 Wipika 8.5"

Mario sniggered.....and in his classic Italian drawl said " hey.... whattayathink....??... this is Bali.... we gotta nussing!"

When I left 4 weeks later he still hadn't sourced a replacement bladder. Meanwhile, another expat French guy was out regularly on his Venom 19.

This is NOT rocket science! If you fly a tube-kite and go bush then take a good repair kit and a spare leading edge bladder.

OR

defect to the dark side!!........ you never know...... you may just see the light!!!!

all the best

NeilT


Soonee
Soonee
VIC
147 posts
VIC, 147 posts
7 Jun 2006 10:48am
quote:
Originally posted by NeilT


This is NOT rocket science! If you fly a tube-kite and go bush then take a good repair kit and a spare leading edge bladder.

NeilT



Hey Neil, no bladder repair kit was going to save me, I needed about 100meters of spinnaker repair tape and a needle and thread. It was my leading egde that ripped open in the middle.
Still I'm with you that foils especially the venom are the go in such a situation
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
8 Jun 2006 10:35am
Lou Waiman saw the light recently when he flew the FlySurfer Psycho3 prototype
I've never seen a FlySurfer bow-tie.
I've always been able to relaunch my 17m Speed in 5knots or more.
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