Teach my buddy to kitesurf?

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salt
salt
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4 Oct 2010 5:51pm
I had lessons but i believe i can teach my mate. Why is this frowned upon?
I have him practicing on my 5m ram air kite until he is super confident and can fly it without looking at it.
then i'll go through lessons about safety etc. I know the beach rules and will only let him use the kite in water. I don't see how an "IKO" instructor is better at teaching than any other proficient kite surfer ( i also have first aid course). I'm not flaming, but your insights/thoughts or critical information i should impart would be useful.

Thanks.
koma
koma
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4 Oct 2010 6:34pm
Troll be trolling?

Do you think it's a good idea for someone with a pilots license to teach people to fly a plane?
Think someone who can cook 2 minute noodles should be teaching people to be a chef?
Yes, you can kite. No, you can't teach.

IKO (or any other cert) doesn't teach you how to kite. It teaches you how to teach people to kite.
By all means get him to fly your foil kite until he can do it blind. Then book him in with a friendly kite school to get a couple of lessons. Then once he's learnt the basics from someone who has experience teaching and insurance if things do go wrong, by all means get him out kiting with you and give him a few pointers. If it's a matter of 'saving a few bucks' then kiting isn't the right sport for him.
Wanga F One
Wanga F One
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4 Oct 2010 5:40pm
just seems to start a bad precedent,stick with instructor for the good of our sport.
salt
salt
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4 Oct 2010 7:25pm
Ok mates, will encourage him to get a couple of lessons for everyone's benefit. No harm in that.
wishy
wishy
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4 Oct 2010 6:08pm
If you're confident enough to teach him you wouldn't um and arr about it, nor would you go on the Internet to ask strangers if you think you should
skiddz
skiddz
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4 Oct 2010 7:40pm
i've taught three of my mates without incident...
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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4 Oct 2010 9:01pm
troll troll troll

this is one hairy old chestnut
prea
prea
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5 Oct 2010 1:02pm
I taught my mate how to Kitesurf..
now I see him only during visiting hours.
J inthe bool
J inthe bool
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5 Oct 2010 2:03pm
Yeah... what Koma Said.....!!

everyone gets hasseled to teach....

tell them to go and get a few lessons from a school.... and then give them tips once they get hooked.. it sorts out the tyre kickers....!

(we dont have an IKO school/or similar within 2-300km and we still send-em)

And:

is you mate going to buy you a new kite when he trashes yours...?

are you still going to be mates when he breaks his leg and can't work for weeks..?

if he hurts someone else on the beach... are you going to take the fall for that..? your teaching him/her...!

The list goes on and on..
salt
salt
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5 Oct 2010 2:17pm
J inthe bool said...

Yeah... what Koma Said.....!!

everyone gets hasseled to teach....

tell them to go and get a few lessons from a school.... and then give them tips once they get hooked.. it sorts out the tyre kickers....!

(we dont have an IKO school/or similar within 2-300km and we still send-em)

And:

is you mate going to buy you a new kite when he trashes yours...?

are you still going to be mates when he breaks his leg and can't work for weeks..?

if he hurts someone else on the beach... are you going to take the fall for that..? your teaching him/her...!

The list goes on and on..



lol, i'm not breaking his leg,....someone else can :)
every one has made some good points. Thanks.
Joe Cron
Joe Cron
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6 Oct 2010 7:35am
Do you realise if something goes wrong (this is kitesurfing), he may, and has some justification to hold you accountable?

He/she want to learn, he/she sees you as an authority on the sport. Compared to him/her, you are. Are you comfortable in this role?

What is your motivation to teach him/her. A couple of potential answers I can think of are;

pressure from your friend to save him/her a few bucks (my thoughts, if he/she can't afford lessons, he/she can't afford to kitesurf, this truth may hurt if it ought to),

to impress your mate (and perhaps yourself, maybe even your mates girlfriend/boyfriend) with your skill and knowledge,

to appeal to your altruistic nature,

It can be hard to say no to anyone, especially friends. If you genuinely want the best, injury free outcome for him/her, you need to take your ego out of the equation and ask what's best for him/her.

Maybe telling him/her that you really want to kite with him/her, but you would feel better if he/she took professional lessons would be a display of real friendship, while asserting yourself and avoiding the responsibility you may not want.

In my experience, there are a couple of things my instructor (who has become a kiting buddy) taught me, particularly regarding safety and self rescue that have helped me enormously, and may well have kept me alive.

When I see one of my local instructors giving a lesson I am always impressed by the patience he displays (especially when there is a good wind he could be kiting himself), and the responsibility he takes on. I can't imagine strapping a person with no experience to a kite and talking them through it.

Me "Now just pull the bar that way, NO NOT THAT WAY, THE OTHER THAT WAY!!!"

Newb "Huh, this way?"

Wind " Whoosh, gust howl"

Newb " Whee, this is great!! I thought we weren't going to do land jumps on the first lesson."

Me "We're not!!"

Newb "Wow, I think I can see my house from up here, how do I land?"

Ambulance driver " Do you know his blood type, are you his next of kin?"
TOAD
TOAD
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6 Oct 2010 9:10am
Hey Joe ....Get a LIFE ,
airhead
airhead
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6 Oct 2010 9:08am
So what do all the nah sayers think about teaching someone, your kids even, to ride a bike or a skateboard or heaven forbid, drive a car?

To compare flying a kite to piloting a plane is just stupid dumb logic.
koma
koma
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6 Oct 2010 3:00pm
airhead said...

So what do all the nah sayers think about teaching someone, your kids even, to ride a bike or a skateboard or heaven forbid, drive a car?

To compare flying a kite to piloting a plane is just stupid dumb logic.


How is comparing flying a kite to piloting a plane 'stupid dumb logic'?
Both activities have people controlling an object that if used in experienced hands has the ability to injure or kill not just the pilot but bystanders.

Teaching your kids to ride a bike. Fine. Child falls off bike, skinned knee.
Teaching your kids to skateboard. Fine. Child falls off skateboard, skinned knee.
Teaching your kids to drive a car. Against. Stupid people teaching their children the wrong thing when it's on a public road is just going to end in disaster, either immediately or in the future. There are professional driving instructors for a reason, just in the same way as there are professional kite instructors for a reason.

The problem is when you combine this thread with the 'IKO is corrupt' thread it's a bit of a dire situation.
Joe Cron
Joe Cron
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6 Oct 2010 3:32pm
TOAD said...

Hey Joe ....Get a LIFE ,


Appreciate your input, whilst I'm content, even happy, with the one I currently have, I'll consider your suggestion.

In case I do decide to follow your advice, can I ask where did you get yours?

Are there any more available there?

Regards
Joe
airhead
airhead
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6 Oct 2010 1:41pm

How is comparing flying a kite to piloting a plane 'stupid dumb logic'?
Both activities have people controlling an object that if used in experienced hands has the ability to injure or kill not just the pilot but bystanders.


Plane: wings, engine(s), joystick, throttle, brakes, trim, rudder, flaps, ailerons, elevator, landing gear, autopilot, radio, radar, buttons, switches, knobs, gps, yaw, pitch, roll, airspeed, altitude, heading, etc etc...

Kite: canopy, bar, lines, chicken loop, safety release, harness


Teaching your kids to ride a bike. Fine. Child falls off bike, skinned knee.
Teaching your kids to skateboard. Fine. Child falls off skateboard, skinned knee.


or...
falls off and hits their head resulting in concussion or brain damage.
or...
falls off and causes overtaking vehicle to take evasive action resulting in head on collision with oncoming traffic

little o
little o
WA
405 posts
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6 Oct 2010 2:26pm
instructors practise daily how to deal with the many things that people do wrong.

I have seen many people try to teach their friends and to be honest i think it is an ego thing to think that you are just as good as an instructor.....if they can't afford lessons maybe choose a different sport...........

i recently had a conversation wiht a girl teaching her dad to fly...........on a 6m in less than 15 knots. Her exact words
'why does everyone keep telling me i shouldn't teach him' hmmmmmmm and yet she still does it. I even talked to her about mullaloo............nothing.

I'm not the fighting kind but i felt a sudden urge to push natural selection in the right direction.

If you teach your friends your an idiot

I've spent 4 years learning to be a teacher and i will always say no to teaching someone!
Joe Cron
Joe Cron
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6 Oct 2010 5:43pm
Littleo, can you tell me what you mean by 'mullaloo' ?
Cheers
kaleidoscope
kaleidoscope
NSW
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6 Oct 2010 6:36pm
Joe Cron said...

Littleo, can you tell me what you mean by 'mullaloo' ?
Cheers


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theDoctor
theDoctor
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5786 posts
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6 Oct 2010 6:45pm


thing about kiting is, pretty much anyone can do it.

thing about teaching is, not everyone can do it.

ask any teacher of anything, it is a technique and a developed gift to be able transfer knowledge and skills onto someone else in a manner that is logical and understandable....

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