Thanks for crashing your kite into my children!!!!

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NoBS
NoBS
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2 Jun 2011 2:38pm
kiting is an extreme sport so people say...


But if everyone took responsibility for their own actions then we wouldn't be having this saga played out on seabreeze.

Kiter = stay 50 to 100 meters from shoreline
Parents= Keep todlers well away from where kiters are potentially gonna showpony and crash ect?

Commonsense or not???

Knowing what I know I wouldn't take my kids to pinnaroo to watch the kiters. Not unless the medicare card and solicitors contact details were close by. Just another forum post for Joondalup council to use and stop kiting at Pinnaroo. Just a matter of time.


juicerider
juicerider
WA
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2 Jun 2011 2:55pm
Thanks "amazed wife", I m just glad they are both OK.
Saffer
Saffer
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2 Jun 2011 5:20pm
I'm still amazed at the red thumbs that the original poster got for posting this up here. Would you have preferred he went to the council to lodge a complaint?

Catch a wake up kiters, you don't own the beach. People are going to come down and sit and watch you kite, people are not going to understand that its dangerous after all, it is just a kite, and people are going to complain when you nearly take out their kid.

The major failure here was not stopping and heading out for the session, not the parents complaining. Having kids playing on the beach close to kiters is not an excuse to take them out. I've regularly seen kiters skimming people's heads with their kites because they dare to sit on the beach in an area where kiters are. A lot of people have been coming to these beaches long before kiting was even invented. Anyone, kiters included, would have done something similar and the whole incident could have been avoided if the kiter in question had just stoppedm, landed his kite, checked everyone was okay and had a quiet word to the parents, but disappearing (with or without an apology) is probably not going to bode well for most parents after nearly taking out their kids - 5 minutes less kiting is way better than the consequences of a person going to the council. How many people are honestly going to stick around on the beach for another half an hour after someone has just taken out their kids? As someone with a child, I'd be inclined to want to shove the kite bar where the sun don't shine if someone did that and then disappeared as if nothing was wrong as its natural to become particularly defensive when it comes to your own blood.

We have a responsibility to kite defensively, which includes being careful with your kite, whether you are putting bindings on or not, and whether we are kiting in a kiting area or not. All it takes it one major injury for the sport to be banned and one death of a innocent bystander would be enough to have kiting banned in so many major cities you'll be driving for hours just to find your nearest kite spot. Anyone who has seen the way politicians work will know they don't think, they act and then sometimes if you're lucky, they may think if you caught them on a good day.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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2 Jun 2011 4:42pm
Spot on Saffer.

I must say elements of this incident and the differing perceptions are very familiar to me. When your kids are in the line of fire, the hackles go up, and a half hearted wave (if you are lucky enough to get one) is not gonna cut it I'm afraid.


Take note kiters - no matter who you think is in the right/wrong on the beach, if you slam your kite down into/next to someone - or worse, their kids - you are gonna stir up a sh!t storm and buy yourself (and probably all of us kiters) drama, hassles and more than likely council imput/bans.

So why take the chance ey? Just go up the beach (yes I know Pinnaz is tricky like that tho) and leave more room for error.. not the minumum - the maximum.

And if something like situation this happens, for gawd sakes, spare a few precious minutes of valuable kiting time to land, go over and make sure your appology is known and understood.

A stitch in time saves bannings for all time?
James
James
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2 Jun 2011 5:59pm
AndreC said...

Well Amazed, you may be new to kiting but you seem like a seasoned veteran to the drama world on this forum..Good on the bloke who crashed his kite for giving an apology on the beach and for a second time here.


My thoughts exactly !! Perhaps linked in some way, to the beach user group just north of Pinna's.
AndreC
AndreC
WA
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2 Jun 2011 9:50pm
Way to much drama people who dont kite might read this and think that you were on a live firing range with your children. When infact a fast flying balloon came to close for comfort.
Facts
kite didn't hit anyone and their was 2 apologies.
Kites crash no matter how good the rider.
Its not common for kiters, surfers, etc to give wide berths to everyone around them all the time at a launch landing spot abundant with learners..
People get over dramatic and ideal online.
Kiting is scary and intimidating for people who dont kite.
Pinnaroo is scary if you do kite with learners and kooks getting a handle on things.
Scotch tastes great with ginger ale.

Lesson- if you are a this sensitive dont go to places where accidents happen.
As for the rest of the carry on..

a bloke went to a sex shop and asked 4 a blow up doll.the dude behind the counter said we got 2 kinds.normal and muslim.the bloke asked,whats the difference, and the dude behind the counter said,the muslim one blows itself up

"Thanks for crashing your kite into my children???
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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3 Jun 2011 4:43pm
Sure Andre i agree with some of what you are saying but..

Fact:
The kite scared the cr@pper out of kids and parents and caused a fair bit of anxiety (rational or not) and distress.



The bit so few kiters seems to understand is it's not how we see/access what happened it's how the beach punters perceive/access the situation panned out.

And as far as keeping the council/residents/people who are free to use the space on side, that is the bit that counts.

Kites are big and scary to most folks. Simple as that.

The sooner all kiters realise that and show a bit more respect for others and make a concerted effort to make sure an appology is understood (instead of focusing on shiny new bindings - that apparently caused the crash in the first place) the more harmonious the whole scene may be.


Fair enough that an apology has been made but I don't think most punters have the understanding (or patience) as amazed and this is how the ball gets rolling in the council meetings I reckon.

Just my 2c.


BTW Bourbon is also ace with dry ginger.
juicerider
juicerider
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3 Jun 2011 9:53pm
Jessus, Cant believe this topic has been going for 3 pages now and how many sabre rattlers there are. All perfectly avoidable if I had ensured my initial apology had not been lost in the wind or lost through the distraction of an upset 3 and 5 year old. I do acknowledge that it was up to me to ensure that the parents realised that I had not deliberately crashed my expensive new kite onto the beach next to their kids on purpose, it was an accident and that I did regret it and of course I was sorry. Lesson learnt.
I suppose I was also thrown by the fact amazed was acting like a fellow kitesurfer, offering to launch kites etc. I assumed a fellow kitesurfer would be a bit more chilled and more understanding. I should have/wished I had, made sure my apology was better understood, especially by a non kitesurfers at the beech. Guess you cant assume anything about people.
Another lesson learnt.
I have also been amassed by how much 2 different perceptions of the same event can be perceived so differently, to the point that I honestly did not even recognise the same event in the original post when I first read it. An interesting lesson to be learnt here too.
There has also been some interesting discussion on bringing kids to a kite beach, and I can say that I am actually with amazed on this one. I also often bring my boys down to the beach when I kitesurf. They are however given strict instructions on where they are allowed to play. They have fun on the beach and enjoy themselves building sands castle, flying a stunt kite, trying to burry each others head in the sand till they submit or riding piggy back on me when I am kitesurf (probably another post coming about my non PC parenting skills).
I can indeed share amazed anxiety as I too have also had someone crash there kite near my boys. In this case the kite was fully powered up and spiralling out of control. I don't even remember receiving an apology, from either the stunned looking mullet at the end of the lines wearing a PFD and a Helmet, or his instructor 100m further up the beach shouting instructions into his radio. The way I dealt with it was not to demand a public flogging and write apology, but to give my boys a telling off for not flying their kite where they were told to, and to move them further up the beach, hopefully it helped them learn, and be more aware at a kite beach. Guess thats more of my non PC parenting skills coming out.

I hope after this I am a wiser safer person.

BTW I trust that if amazed does take up kitesurfing and happen to crash his kite near my boys a written public apology will follow.

Thanks also for your input getfunky, you are so wise and I can only hope to one day be as smart as you. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I just wish I had it earlier.
BTW Bourbon tastes great with anything, think I ll have one now before praying for some more windy days.

Juice Rider
Elroy Jetson
Elroy Jetson
WA
706 posts
WA, 706 posts
4 Jun 2011 2:03am
This has been a good Australian Drama.

Spent the whole thread on the edge of my seat trying to work out who the villain was. Bravo to those who pushed the plot forward!

The plot had more twists than a packet of chicken twisties.

Still got a little bit of popcorn left and I'm left pondering on one thought.

Would the drama have been better if something actually happened?

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
4 Jun 2011 8:49am
NoBS said...

kiting is an extreme sport so people say...


But if everyone took responsibility for their own actions then we wouldn't be having this saga played out on seabreeze.

Kiter = stay 50 to 100 meters from shoreline
Parents= Keep todlers well away from where kiters are potentially gonna showpony and crash ect?

Commonsense or not???

Knowing what I know I wouldn't take my kids to pinnaroo to watch the kiters. Not unless the medicare card and solicitors contact details were close by. Just another forum post for Joondalup council to use and stop kiting at Pinnaroo. Just a matter of time.





I have read a few posts here where things along the lines of this "where kiters are potentially gonna showpony and crash ect? " have been written . and that parents "Keep todlers well away from where kiters are potentially gonna showpony and crash ect? " ..Now here lies a problem .As many have said we need to view ourselves as the bottom of the heap and take personal responsibility for our actions and do our utmost to ensure that Joe public is not inconvenienced or hurt by our activity and we should not assume that joe public needs to take any responsibility for being in close proximity to us and assume Joe public is actually pretty clueless about the potential danger to them of a pretty kitesurf kite that is a natural joe public and kid magnet .
Now I do acknowledge that accidents can and will continue to occur ,but what concerns me is that if kiters are thinking that they are not at the bottom of the heap and that clueless Joe public should beware then that opens the ol can of worms that councils need to be putting warning signs up like " Public beware kiters frequent this public place and your presence here could result in serious injury " Now Council X will not be doing this . They will be saying to themselves stuff that we'll just ban this dangerous activity full stop ,problem solved ,kitesurfers are a small minority of risk takers ,there will be a bit of banter in the media and then it will blow over ,problem solved .
BTW this comment is made in response to the comments of some of the posters and not specifically to the original incident .
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
4 Jun 2011 9:41am
getfunky said...

Sure Andre i agree with some of what you are saying but..

Fact:
The kite scared the cr@pper out of kids and parents and caused a fair bit of anxiety (rational or not) and distress.



The bit so few kiters seems to understand is it's not how we see/access what happened it's how the beach punters perceive/access the situation panned out.

And as far as keeping the council/residents/people who are free to use the space on side, that is the bit that counts.

Kites are big and scary to most folks. Simple as that.

The sooner all kiters realise that and show a bit more respect for others and make a concerted effort to make sure an appology is understood (instead of focusing on shiny new bindings - that apparently caused the crash in the first place) the more harmonious the whole scene may be.


Fair enough that an apology has been made but I don't think most punters have the understanding (or patience) as amazed and this is how the ball gets rolling in the council meetings I reckon.

Just my 2c.


BTW Bourbon is also ace with dry ginger.


Interesting that this comment has drawn red thumb responses
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
4 Jun 2011 8:58am
And the movie is "Say Sorry Kite" starring man in boots.....LOL.
AndreC
AndreC
WA
512 posts
WA, 512 posts
4 Jun 2011 11:17am
Its a shame all this energy has been spent here, when its pretty clear there is more urgent cause and concerns to get behind from our natural environment to cows gettin smashed in other countries or just teaching WA drivers to drive would be a worthy cause. I wonder if Home and Away are looking for any new material? Might post this one in..I saw a guy get smashed off his motorbike onto the road yesterday and the people came to his aid from all sides it was like an professional emergency team..it was torturous to see this guy screaming in pain...but real cool to see how people can bring it together to help someone. I think this is real life...
however the attitudes, resentments and general drizzle expressed here is over pumped garbage and I know none of these people would behave this way in public otherwise they would have on the day of that incident. Get a grip and stop embarrassing yourselves you big babies.
F^&*k go to go to work now and be cheerful...maybe the woman of my dreams will rock up today? Wish me luck.
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