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extralarge
extralarge
WA
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WA, 17 posts
3 Apr 2006 12:42pm
Back to the topic, I heard a rumour that north are bringing out a bow kite with no bridles and pullies, the kite is a fifth line set up.

If this is true then all those bows with bridles and pulleys are going to be worth nothing.

Does anyone know about this and if so could you shed some light on this topic.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
3 Apr 2006 2:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by extralarge

Back to the topic, I heard a rumour that north are bringing out a bow kite with no bridles and pullies, the kite is a fifth line set up.

If this is true then all those bows with bridles and pulleys are going to be worth nothing.

Does anyone know about this and if so could you shed some light on this topic.



Yeah, it is only a rumor!!

If you want to know for sure, why dont you check:

http://www.northkites.com/zms/content/index_eng.html

If it's not there... it's not there. Or it's, "the seceret weapon"?
As I said, only a rumor.....
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
3 Apr 2006 1:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by extralarge

Back to the topic, I heard a rumour that north are bringing out a bow kite with no bridles and pullies, the kite is a fifth line set up.

If this is true then all those bows with bridles and pulleys are going to be worth nothing.

Does anyone know about this and if so could you shed some light on this topic.



I haven't seen or heard any buzz... but this could be done. It could be a flat-kite adaption similar to the F-One Tribal (bridle/rigging wise). North used an active 5th line with their kites, before the bows/SLE's, to suport the arch of the LE (for the aim of depower). The kite could possibly resemble a Waroo more than a X-bow/Nova IMO (based on the amount of LE support that can be given by a 5th line in balance with the front lines, without loading up the rear lines too much.). All just conjecture and theory, of course. Can't wait to see what they've cooked up.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
3 Apr 2006 4:41pm
Hey Azza, they might come up with a "Banana Bun"
890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
3 Apr 2006 4:52pm
Yes guys i can confirm from a relaible source that north will be bringing out a bow kite with no bridles or pulleys, they are currently testing it at margaret river WA and the results are very promising.

Bridles and pulleys will be a thing of the past so if I were you and thinking of buying a bow kite dont buy one with bridles and pulleys wait for the North Bow Kite and then make your decision.
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
3 Apr 2006 5:26pm
Will it be the first kite to hit the A$3000 mark !!??
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
3 Apr 2006 5:08pm
That Kite is not a Bow.

it's not a SLE!

it's an F-one Impact clone. At least according to the pics being floated around.

So North are being true so far to their No Bow claims.

Wipika have a proto SLE that appears to use the KPO style bridle with a 5th line. This should mean that you can use a std wipika bar get all the characteristics of SLE kites with minimal bar pressure and use 5th for total depowering or additional depowering and maintain some steering control.

Back in November I used a Matrix bar on my Nova 12 which felt way better and secure against stopper. I also added pulleys which really fired upo the steering but also sent bar pressure ballistic as well as lost all feedback from kite.

So the revolution may roll on, but where it stops maybe along way from what was thought to be the new answer a few monthes ago.
silviu
silviu
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3 Apr 2006 6:18pm
Hey Ral,

What's your story? What do you hide behind this hate for bow kites?
Think about this: why if the bow kites are such an "abismal failure", so many people (including mysel - I confess, noboddy's perfect) are buying and using them.
On an average, on Melbourne's beaches at least 50% of the used kites are bow kites (see I am not naming any brand, just bow's).
I believe the same situation is evrywhere.
So, let it go man, if you don't like them, don't use them.
loose fin
loose fin
QLD
219 posts
QLD, 219 posts
3 Apr 2006 7:18pm
inland kiting spots, 90% + of people are using bows for the reasons stated on page one, before this thread became a waste of space and got off topic.

There are only 3 people i know inland kiting in south africa who dont have a bow. A lot of people have a large C like a contra etc, and a 9m bow for 18 + weather. I have found the new 14m GK to be advantageous over a 17m or 19.5 C however for turning speed and jump capactiy so have a large bow for fickly light gusty winds instead of a large C.

I havent brought a smaller 9m bow or similar yet, as im waiting to see what the new 11m matrix is like, and make a decision on a 9m bow or 11m matrix after its release. THe smaller bows are used extensively in cape town and other coastal areas too in south africa due to the gusty coastal winds that they get. Aussie guys have no real idea what typical conditions are like elsewhere, having lovely sea breezes to enjoy etc. Until the day where you live in a place which never gets nice conditions, i dont think you should comment on bows not having a place, as they defn do.

Loose Fin (ps ill use C kites again when i live at the coast in Aus, but while living elsewhere will continue to use bows)
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
3 Apr 2006 7:45pm
I've got Bows and I've got Cs and I love them all.
There is only one thing that really matters and that is KITING.
Ya Hoo bring on the wind.
regards
col
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
3 Apr 2006 10:43pm
Finally, someone's got the right message.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
4 Apr 2006 6:07am
Silviu, there is a line in the sand, albeit a fine line.

on one side of the line is "Hate Bows". on the other is "bows are gay".

It's the side of the line I enjoy standing on that counts to me. So whenever we meet just chill out, smile, and cop the bucketing.

Loose fin,
No one knows more about inland kiting than I. It's called "15 secs of Fame" kiting. Where in one run across a lake you get wind in 3 diff strengths 10kts apart, and 5 different directions as you pass gullys and hills and trees. Throw in a few fishermen cluttering the safe landing spots and trauling in their punts etc.

All the new 06 kites with bigger depower range are good in these conditions. and the 06 Matrix is definately one of those, and the Tribal is king. I ve had a ball on a 13m tribal on a lake in wind 12-34kts.

NSW, 4382 posts
4 Apr 2006 8:01am
Originally posted by RAL INN

Silviu, there is a line in the sand, albeit a fine line.

on one side of the line is "Hate Bows". on the other is "bows are gay".

It's the side of the line I enjoy standing on that counts to me. So whenever we meet just chill out, smile, and cop the bucketing.


Of course your hate of bows had nothing to do with you not being able to get any to sell from your truck at the beach, did it Tony?


But now I bet they go from being gay to Ok, and in the very near furure you will stand with your best foot firmly on one side and your wipifone foot on the other side of this line you feel has to be drawn.

Bow kites are here to stay!
Get used to them, its what the majority of people want, its also very good for the sport, and thats why you are getting some to flog.

Ozone are real close to sending me a sample of their new flat kite which has no bridles or pulleys.
The word from the importer of North is that the kite being tested in WA is not a bow.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
4 Apr 2006 8:18am
HE HE!.
it's about here that I could come up with some lamebrained, try to save face, type comment like -
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

in the post I made above it was used as bait, for a laugh.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack



But I don't have to.

We have been selling Bow type kites since last October, and have available for us to sell, Nova, SSTD, Shockwave, and GKSonic. Plus now Waroo.

I take offence at my Falcon ute being called a Truck. And it's more a delivery vehicle anyway. When our SHOP is 220k from the outer area of our sales zone, delivery is called customer service.

So it's about now that we all prepare ourselves for the bararge of Quotes and single sentence toilet humour taunts.

plus of course the obligatory alter egos having their blurt.
silviu
silviu
VIC
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4 Apr 2006 9:12am
Hey Ral

Just to get it straight. I respect everybody’s opinion. Just wanted to understand from where you are coming from. If I enjoy riding bow's, as I said it's my choice, you enjoy riding Cs, that's your choice. As you can see, I do not have any underlying interests, not any links with any supplier or reseller of equipment, so the only interest I have is to enjoy the sport.
And if I can say something important for everybody, if I can help to improve the safety, or the image of the sport than, yes I will do it.
I am sure, if we will meet, we will enjoy talking and changing ideas.
We all have to remember, it is just a sport, we love it, we are passionate about it, so let's do it more, and argue less.
What does the point to name someone guy, just because is using a specific kite?
Not that I bother, at my age, I am laughing and go on with my life, but there are definitely more important issues to discuss than just childish arguing.

RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
4 Apr 2006 9:26am
It's all cool Silviu

Where's the fun in sitting on the beach gasbagging with your kite buddies, if you can't stir the crap out of them?
mud duck
mud duck
45 posts
45 posts
4 Apr 2006 9:03am
Bruno Legaignoux posted on kiteforum that bows eliminate a lot of vertical lift when sheeted out and that this will help to prevent loftings, did anyone else read this - gotta be a step in the right direction.
Brink7
Brink7
NSW
225 posts
NSW, 225 posts
4 Apr 2006 11:04am
Anybody remember the chicken loop debates from 2002? The way I see it, all this crap about Bow kites vs C kites is just the same.

Back then all the core riders used two line kites. Anybody who used a new fangled four line kite, with all their instant depower was a sissy who couldn't rail hard enough. The term "chicken loop" started as an insult to people who had to chicken out!

The more reasonable of the (hard core, no fear, bad boy[}:)]) riders did concede that there would always be a market for the chicken loop kites. The the old cruisers who weren't pushing it would always want them. Apparently people who used a chicken loop would never graduate to powered wake style riding.

Any of this sounding familiar?
Seen anybody on a two line kite lately?





890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
4 Apr 2006 11:46am
Hey Blowinup heading down to the infamous yarra bay for those big wsw forecast for the rest of the week, looks like some strong winds on the way.

Was at boatharbour on saturday and it was that strong we could not even stand on the beach , boaties is looking very good for the weekend.
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
4 Apr 2006 11:48am
quote:
Originally posted by silviu

Hey Azza, they might come up with a "Banana Bun"



IF THEY DID... it would be sold to us as "healthy"; it's got "banana".

UNTIL NEXT SEASON... "Now with CREAM"; coz phat is back!

AND THEN... "Low salt"; it aint no fun being phat with hard arteries.


"markiting" (verb) = the act of pimping your pumpables.
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Apr 2006 2:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

HE HE!.
it's about here that I could come up with some lamebrained, try to save face, type comment like -
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

in the post I made above it was used as bait, for a laugh.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack



But I don't have to.


But you came up with this lame retort below instead

Where's the fun in sitting on the beach gasbagging with your kite buddies, if you can't stir the crap out of them?

quote:

We have been selling Bow type kites since last October, and have available for us to sell, Nova, SSTD, Shockwave, and GKSonic. Plus now Waroo.


So why would you alienate more than 60+% of your potential customers by telling them that bow kites are gay (but its Ok to be Gay....)

quote:

I take offence at my Falcon ute being called a Truck. And it's more a delivery vehicle anyway. When our SHOP is 220k from the outer area of our sales zone, delivery is called customer service.

So it's about now that we all prepare ourselves for the bararge of Quotes and single sentence toilet humour taunts.

plus of course the obligatory alter egos having their blurt.



I'll leave all that other stuff about toilets and alter egos to you and your clones Tony, to abuse the forum some more as your "shops" marketing department, as for the humour, you need to lighten up.

Got you again.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
the loopy chicken
the loopy chicken
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
4 Apr 2006 12:26pm
quote:
Back then all the core riders used two line kites. Anybody who used a new fangled four line kite, with all their instant depower was a sissy who couldn't rail hard enough. The term "chicken loop" started as an insult to people who had to chicken out!



quote:
Seen anybody on a two line kite lately?




where can i get a two line kite from? this sport is getting so soft its not funny. i want to go back to the future...toughen it up,ban bow's and get rid of the geeks.
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
4 Apr 2006 1:13pm
extralarge:

In Gero, i saw some 5th line (no bridle) bow - style kites being flown by the ozone dev / testing boys.

Well they looked like bows, and the had no bridle anyways - i think g-dog has some photos from the day - maybe he can post.

robbo
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
4 Apr 2006 1:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by Blowinup

Anybody remember the chicken loop debates from 2002? The way I see it, all this crap about Bow kites vs C kites is just the same.

Back then all the core riders used two line kites. Anybody who used a new fangled four line kite, with all their instant depower was a sissy who couldn't rail hard enough. The term "chicken loop" started as an insult to people who had to chicken out!

The more reasonable of the (hard core, no fear, bad boy[}:)]) riders did concede that there would always be a market for the chicken loop kites. The the old cruisers who weren't pushing it would always want them. Apparently people who used a chicken loop would never graduate to powered wake style riding.

Any of this sounding familiar?
Seen anybody on a two line kite lately?


Thank you Blowinup - spot on the money.
Wasnt round at the time but I suspected this to be the case.
Took the words right outa my mouth (& I suspect out of others too)
Its mostly all fun & banter I know but for those few deluded extremists on the knocking depower side of the debate I say go back to 2 line or shut-up-your-face.
We are all chickens after all
extralarge
extralarge
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
4 Apr 2006 1:42pm
Yeh robbo got some more information on the north kite.
It is not a bow , the kite is little flatter the the vegas and it does have a fifth line set up.I think they are going to market the kite as a beginner to intermediate and of course those that love riding the surf.The kite itself does depower 100 percent without any bridles or pulleys and hopefully it wont invert like all the other bow kites.And from all reports north are very happy with the way the kite is performing, so it likes they have done it again.
Brink7
Brink7
NSW
225 posts
NSW, 225 posts
4 Apr 2006 3:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by danza

Hey Blowinup heading down to the infamous yarra bay for those big wsw forecast for the rest of the week, looks like some strong winds on the way.

Was at boatharbour on saturday and it was that strong we could not even stand on the beach , boaties is looking very good for the weekend.




See you there!
I feel like an idiot for admitting it, but I am actually looking forward to a few SW days at Boaties and Yarra. Probably more to do with the beers at the sailing club, rather than the gusty, freezing conditions.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
4 Apr 2006 4:53pm
Dog-gon-it.

I'm alienating bowkiters by having fun with them at the beach.
does this also mean that I have to stop picking on Plows' hat?

Maybe I just have to restrict myself to labelling my customers as Scammers, and Lemmings.

Or perhaps I need a web search lesson in how to find intellectual type statements I can plagerise.

I will however have to stop the subliminal playing of that Carly Simon song. It was only supposed to work on Laboratory rats but obviously is equally effective on mammals with similer size brains.

Of course it was only designed to get rats to push the BOLD key for a reward.
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
5 Apr 2006 2:54pm
OK I'll bite.

who's Carly Simon and what's the song?

Freed.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
5 Apr 2006 4:12pm
Has it occured to anyone that the new kites won't be bow or C?

Hybrid's i tell's ya!, I wouldnt buy a bow just yet, have flown them, don't suit how i like to ride, prefer C's with 5th much better, more reliable saftey system too. Bridles and Inverts can't be the answer, bows have got bugs that have got to be sorted and my bet is that next years kites will look completely different. Don't be suprised if theres no more bridles, at the moment i feel the kite companies are throwig out new kites in a race to find an ultimate and we are getting proto's in the progress.
oxy
oxy
WA
50 posts
oxy oxy
WA, 50 posts
5 Apr 2006 2:58pm
Hey spacemonkey north have done it read the above posts bridles and pulleys are a thing of the past.
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