The growth of Kiteboarding

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Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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WA, 2782 posts
26 Nov 2006 8:59pm
Hey Peeps,

I thought it may be of interest to the general kiting fraternity to know a bit about the growth of the sport this year and who is getting into it.

The season started well with good winds in as early as mid September, and we have been very steadily booked since November. Most of our increase in numbers this year has come from the closing down of the kite school at Pelican Point.

The numbers of interested persons wanting to learn kiteboarding hasn't really changed dramatically, just steady growth. However, the people themselves have. In the last years it has been mainly windsurfers, pilots and wakeboarders. This year we have plenty of surfers taking up the sport. The influence of the riders in the waves on surfboards has inspired the average bored summer surfer to try and flow with nature rather than try and paddle against her.

We have also had a larger number of mine workers and self employed contractors and tradespersons. Last year we had plenty of availability for weekday lessons, this year weekdays are our preferred days for many people because the beaches are less crowded by the nine to fivers. I'm guessing WA's booming economy has left people cashed up and needing an outlet to vent the weeks worries.

This year has seen more women, travelers, traveling businessman and families taking the sport up. We have had several full families of mum, dad and the two kids all sign up for courses so that they all stoke on the same sport and thus have something in common they can all relate to. Sic!

We have also seen the first of the school groups taking up courses in kiting as extra curicular activities (usually private schools) and have also been approached by public schools, but, even at school rates state schools generally cannot afford it.

Plenty of interstate and international business people taking up the sport or occassionally starting to hire equipment whilst in Perth for a day or two which shows the depths of the sports penetration into the corporate world.

Average age of student for males is probably around 30-35 and average age of student for women is probably around 26-32.

We have seen no explosive growth of Euros coming over, probably no different to last year, but their riding level is lower (at least at our beach) I'm guessing the good riders are spending more time at places like Lano, Woodies and Margs.

The growth is coming from the average rider talking it up to their mates and getting their mates into it and riders putting on a good show to the public at places like Scarborough, Trigg, Leighton, Cottesloe, Melville and Woodies. Thats the feedback we get when we ask why they want to get into kiting. Usually friends kite or they saw it at a public beach somewhere.

It's irony at it's finest that the people that usually complain about the growth are the biggest contributors to the growth. Most schools don't actively promote to people outside of the industry, people have to decide they are interested in the sport, then they trace a school or instructor. All good instruction really does is ensure that the noobs have some idea on safety, know how to fly and ride, self rescue and be reasonably independent.

External sources promoting WA as a mecca for kiting are the internet, TV ads, travellers videos, DVDs, and magazine features from mags like Kiteworld, Kiteboarder etc on places like Gnaraloo and the rest of the west coast usually written by traveling touros.

Yep Growth really is inevitable and now that kite companies have made full depower kites it is safe enough for families and kids and Joe average public to really explore the sport. The interest in kiting is now self perpetuating, it has reached a critical mass and will continue to grow for the next couple of years. WA really is a big place with loads of unridden beaches, we may just have to spread out a bit and endure a few growing pains.

Good winds and a great summer to all,







baggsy
baggsy
QLD
118 posts
QLD, 118 posts
27 Nov 2006 6:17am
In November last year, there was not one kite surfer (or power kiter)here in Bowen (QLD). after the coconet classic in September, the interest has grown dramatically. there are 8 newbies here in townand was 12 kiters on the water yesterday,less than half half were locals and the others came in from surrounding areas (Airlie beach Townsville ect).

this sport is booming here and the good thing about it is that it all came from a great organisation called Coconet Classic
thanx guys for helping this sport grow.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
27 Nov 2006 8:49am
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitehard

It's irony at it's finest that the people that usually complain about the growth are the biggest contributors to the growth.





Yikes!
It concerns me that I may be unwittingly contributing in some unknown way,
to the unsustainable growth of the sport of kitesurfing.

Anyway,
Nice ad Kitehard.
It's a big ad.
A very big ad.

It's interesting to read that surfers are discovering the kite and onshore windslop.
The industry's evil masterplan might be working .

Unsustainable growth may give you a hard-on Kitehard,
but more strings at my local pointbreak doesn't get me excited.
Scores and scores of clueless kite**** scattered down-the-line putting strings in my face,
will be the end result when the cool niche sport of kiting mutates into a circus.
27 Nov 2006 11:16am
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitehard

It's irony at it's finest that the people that usually complain about the growth are the biggest contributors to the growth.





... will be the end result when the cool niche sport of kiting mutates into a circus.



and who oh who is the kn ringleader of this circus?
(anyone for a dancing kn bear?)
jezmondo
jezmondo
WA
31 posts
WA, 31 posts
27 Nov 2006 3:02pm
Interesting post Kitehard.... It amazed me in the time I spent in WA, how few kiters there were around. I did the obvious spots, Margeret River, Woodies, Cott, Lanclein etc. was amazed by the lack of kiters...... here in the Uk, it is huge and getting bigger and bigger every month...

I think you guys probably have some of the best locations in the world....

Wont be long before someone sets up a school at Lancelin & Margeret River def needs some where, you cant get any gear anywhere around there!!!

Jess
Jess
WA
206 posts
WA, 206 posts
27 Nov 2006 9:03pm
Hey Jezmondo,
Lano and Margies have schools already.
The Lano school has traditionally been run by travelling Euros so is only there in the summer months. You can get some basic kiting items from the surf shops there.
Simon Peters of Margaret River Kite and Sail is always at Margies (and has been known to go to Bunbury and Augusta if there is interes for lessons in thos eplaces) and stocks some gear also.
Sounds like you enjoyed your stay :)
Jess
slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
VIC, 324 posts
28 Nov 2006 6:56am
quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard


This year has seen more women, travelers, traveling businessman and families taking the sport up. We have had several full families of mum, dad and the two kids all sign up for courses so that they all stoke on the same sport and thus have something in common they can all relate to. Sic!



i think kiting is still an extreme sport and isn't as safe as the 100% depower sales pitch lets on. crash a kite downwind, get the lines wrapped around the bar and then have the kite accidently launch in the hot zone and i think mum's, kids and others would be pretty scared off the sport in a hurry.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
28 Nov 2006 9:56am
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitehard

Yep Growth really is inevitable and now that kite companies have made full depower kites it is safe enough for families and kids and Joe average public to really explore the sport.




lol
Growth, growth, growth.
Families, kids and Joe Average.
Arrrrrg.
Full depower kites that fall out of the sky like bombs (onto unsuspecting beach-goers),
at the panic-push of the bar at full stretch.

Kitehard,
You are deluding yourself if you are hoping and wishing and praying that kiting will grow and grow,
into a mainstream suburban sport(like surfing unfortunately did).

Why ?
Well, kitesurfing has all that complicated fag gear to deal with.
And kiting is a different sport when the windspeed exceeds 25 knots.
And 30 kooks armed with 30m bandsaws patrolling a crowded public beach is a horror movie.
Mainstreaming kiting might be the dream of kitehard but it's waveslaves kitemare.

Surfing was once a cool niche sport like kitesurfing.
Nah.....it was once a sub-culture.
A lifestyle.
A fringe activity.
A very misunderstood sport.
It was once unloved by the masses. (A bit like kitesurfing is.)

Then things changed.

Hollywood began making Gidget movies.
Surfing went from sub-culture to pop-culture.
The soft boogie-board was introduced....
and more and more kids discovered waves.
Steve313
Steve313
VIC
21 posts
VIC, 21 posts
28 Nov 2006 1:16pm
Here's a question I've always wondered about, especially when you see groups and groups of beginners taking lessons:

Out of all the noobs that take their first 4 hour (or whatever) lesson, how many actually stick to it and get into the sport?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
28 Nov 2006 10:56am
Hi Steve313,

You pose a good question. We see plenty of students go through the school, some buy equipment and return to the beach and some just vanish. The ones that come back generally become part of the scene and quickly blend into the community, some riding regularly (3-4 times a week) and some ride irregularly (1-2 times a week).

The actual ratio of peeps that come back to our spot is fairly low, probably 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, but some obviously go on to other spots as we have students travel a ways to come to us sometimes. Some of our students are foreigners or interstaters and leave the country or state once they are finished their lessons.

As we only do private coaching as opposed to groups we tend to have a good follow through to the end of the course (6-7 hrs of one on one coaching), probably half buy gear at the end, half of those buy new gear and probably half buy second hand.

Hope this answers your question. Good winds,




Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
28 Nov 2006 11:48am
@Waveslave,

I'm not sure how you see the growth of kiteboarding to be unsustainable There are enough shops to service the growing market, there are enough schools and instructors to service the growing market, there is enough windy days to allow everyone to ride regularly and we have hundreds of kilometres of unridden empty beaches with great conditions. So how exactly is it, that in your opinion, the growth of kiteboarding is unsustainable

It is the choice of riders themselves to crowd into tight spots, you being one of them and ride with "strings in your face". If you are unhappy with the crowding, simply ride 100m further upwind and have the next break to yourself. This is usually all it takes. This would of course carry with it the sacrifice of not being seen riding directly in front of the public.

With your selfless humanitarian concerns of future public and rider safety, due to the unsustainable growth leading to overcrowding and the niche sport becoming uncool due to popularity, then the only noble thing for you to do to gain credibility and integrity is give up the sport, burn your gear and vacate the waters, afterall, someone with your level of cool and obvious talent, wouldn't want to be seen doing an uncool popular sport with the rest of us "kite****" now would you?

Good winds,


wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
28 Nov 2006 11:58am
Back off Kitehard......

Would hate to see logic and reason overtake self serving emotive subjective judgement.

newcastle_justin
newcastle_justin
NSW
149 posts
NSW, 149 posts
28 Nov 2006 3:20pm
Kitehard: 1
Waveslave: 0

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
28 Nov 2006 4:36pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard

@Waveslave,

I'm not sure how you see the growth of kiteboarding to be unsustainable




Dear Kitehard,
Please allow me to define two keywords for your benefit.
Kite**** and Sustainability.
I'll do the second one first.

'Sustainability' is only achieved if future generations of kiters can satisfy their kiting needs,
up to or exceeding the same degree of quality as this generation has experienced.

It's a simple fact that large crowds of kiters jammed into a wavebreak with a defined take-off zone,
does not work.
Too many strings.
Too many clueless kite**** doing stupid stuff.
No one gets waves and safety goes to hell on the water and more importantly, on the beach;
where innocent by-standers can get involved with kooking-out.
Not to mention lots of pissed-off poleys too.

Now, a 'Kitefag' is a little harder to define.
Please bear with me Kitehard.
By the way, I've never called you a kitefag.
But I've called you a guru.

The Kitefag equivalent might be the dumb-arse drop-in of surfing (but only different).
Now, don't confuse the dumb-arse drop-in of surfing with the snake.
Oh no, different animals.
The surfing-snake is cunning and sneaky and fully knows when he's committing a crime.
Unlike the snake, the dumb-arse drop-in is totally oblivious to his wrongdoings.
Same goes for the kitefag....totally unaware of his misconduct.

Now, this is where you come in Kitehard.
This is the important bit.
This is where I need your undivided attention and complete devotion.
You've got the bow-kiter school.
You're the keeper of the newbie zoo.
Teach these future wavekiters this very simple rule please.

Rule No.1 of wavekiting:

Waveriders don't gybe.
Never.
Outbound kiters gybe.
(and go back to the beach or reefline to kill time and start their run again.)

Keep those freaking strings out-of-my-face when I'm waveriding.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
28 Nov 2006 5:55pm
You write so beautifully wavey.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
28 Nov 2006 6:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by newcastle_justin

Kitehard: 1
Waveslave: 0





Here on the internet game-show,
there is no real winner.
Just a bunch of tragic windfreak losers.

And having the last word is not always a true sign of victory.
But it helps.
The running score doesn't really count for much.
It's how you play the game that really matters.

For instance,
personal attacks are considered bad play.
You actually lose points for sniping.....
Which only demonstrates your utter desperation and always frustrates your chances of success.
Game-on kite****.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
28 Nov 2006 8:53pm
its a basic equation.
more kiteboarders + more accidents and near misses on public beaches + more pissed off (usually rightly so) joes public + more anti-kite feeling
= bans or segregation into tiny overcrowded areas.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
28 Nov 2006 9:40pm
kitehard, nice topic and wordz,some good points there.

waveslave, phew now there's some serious logic. where did you learn this stuff, i gotta go there!
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
28 Nov 2006 7:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by stamp

its a basic equation.
more kiteboarders + more accidents and near misses on public beaches + more pissed off (usually rightly so) joes public + more anti-kite feeling
= bans or segregation into tiny overcrowded areas.



So what you’re saying is...


mk = ma

ma + nm = ma

if ma = mpop (urs) then b or s

and if ma > mk = b and s

then b and s = ma

hmm seems circular in argument.... but yeah pretty basic algebra and logic programming really
newcastle_justin
newcastle_justin
NSW
149 posts
NSW, 149 posts
29 Nov 2006 9:31am
Slave: over here in the east we have these TV ads telling us that "the real Australia" - part of which are miles and miles of uncrowded beaches - still exists. This real Australia, they tell us, is WA. Are there indeed miles and miles of uncrowded beaches?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
1 Dec 2006 10:37am
quote:
Originally posted by newcastle_justin

Slave: over here in the east we have these TV ads telling us that "the real Australia" - part of which are miles and miles of uncrowded beaches - still exists. This real Australia, they tell us, is WA. Are there indeed miles and miles of uncrowded beaches?



TV ads are fantasy images dreamed-up by overpayed, ponytailed executives wearing too much hair-gel.
You're standing in the 'real Australia' newcastle justin.
Yeah, working-class suburbia with the added bonus of having beautiful beaches.
Sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side of the Nullabor Plain.
However, I wouldn't live anywhere but WA (except Hawaii),
cause I'm a fully certified windfreak.

In answer to your rhetorical question:

Yes, there are miles and miles of uncrowded beaches in WA.
Sometimes you can feel so lonely.
Nah...there's always some solitary dude in a 4x4 sniffing around in the middle of no where amongst the isolation.

But having miles and miles of uncrowded beaches doesn't mean there are scores and scores of quality wavekiting spots.
By wavekiting spots I mean the primo lefthand cross-shore bearaways that poleys chased and pioneered 20 years ago.
I include myself and my wife among those pioneering trailblazers.
Along the whole WA coastline,
the primo spots can be counted on two hands only, with a couple of fingers spare just in case of any new discoveries.

But the reality is,
the majority of wavekiters in WA live and ride in our State capital, Perth.
The junksurf capital of WA.
....But that's not a put-down.
Long stretches of beachys works best for a place like Perth.
If it was any different,
if Perth actually had a quality set-up,
well,
it would be a total cluster-****.
Everybody would be on it.
Poleys, kiters, surfers, spongers, tow-ins, cripples, goatboaters, clubbies, swimmers, dogs.....
Ideally, Perth needs 20 top set-ups.

But that's a TV fantasy image.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
4 Dec 2006 1:40pm
Lancelin sucks, too many grumpy windsurfers!
Woodies sucks more, smelly sewage treatment plant, sharks, cobblers (stinging fish) and big dredges dumping sand right in the middle of the bay.
Don't start on Margs, grumpy surfers, biggers sharks and nasty launch site - really gusty!!
hilly
hilly
WA
8135 posts
WA, 8135 posts
4 Dec 2006 10:37pm
Don't forget Esperance. Some angry locals with big teeth down there. Slave has a good point, WA really has few good quality wavekiting spots compared to the length of the coast consequently they get crowded.
Stevo J
Stevo J
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
6 Dec 2006 12:51pm
Waveslave, you never cease to amaze me with the torrent of crap that spills onto these pages. You seem to have a grossly over percieved view of your own intellect, and somehow place yourself at a superior level to that of the rest of the kite world. Have you conveniently forgotten that YOU TOO at some stage thought to yourself, hey this kitesurfing thing looks unreal, I might give it a shot?? Which therefore meant that you were a newb and wouldve spent a period of time being a kook just like everyone else who starts this sport does. The growth of the sport is inevitable, and its only nobheads like yourself that will make it an unpleasant experience for those starting out. I grew up surfing and the one thing that really used to give me the ****s about it was the localism and the unfriendly, over competitive vibe out in the water. I can just imagine you wouldve been championing that cause in your local waters. The beauty of kitesurfing as I see it, is the fact that everyone looks out for each other, everyone has enough time in their day to chat to one another, and there is enough water to go around for everyone. Sure its alarming to see the number of kites in the sky go up and up, but dont ever forget where you came from, and dont try to enlist the help or support of anyone else on this forum to adopt your cynical, negative vibe to just about everything it seems. This is a happy and positive sport thats supposed to bring joy and wellbeing so kindly stop staining it with your crappy views.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
6 Dec 2006 1:31pm
how about we dont pimp it out to every John, Dick and Harry; let the people who have enough motivation of their own come to the sport on their own. Advertising it as easy and cheap will let the flood gates open to people with the wrong attitude.
i saw kites out at Leighton/Cott/south africa and decided i would do it one day-well about 365 days later i was going upwind and had paid for all my gear ect with my own money. if you want to do it then do it but having to encourage randoms will only get the sports future in jeopardy and if my local gets restricted even more then i might start to become like werner towards those people who use the "upwind of the cones is to crowed excuse for kiting 10m from shore"

back on the overcrowding problem; who said "miles of free beaches", there are not many kitebeaches in the metro area, who is going to drive a couple hours just to have a short time on the water? most kiters go to their closest spot as they have a time limit-between work and sunset so adding people to these local spots will just result in over crowding. sure you may say that there is tones of room at your local but its not just this season that people will be coming to the sport, the growth of kite boarding is most likely to increase exponentially. the growth in the last couple years should indicate the future, by the end of this season expect there to be a lot more faces around than now and even more next season.

im not against beginners but those who do stuff like telling their friends that they will give them $100 if they dont like it ect
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
6 Dec 2006 1:31pm
oops that was a bit of a rant
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
6 Dec 2006 7:48pm
ok a bit off the topic here.

it's great to see more people enjoying the sport and yeah some beaches are getting pretty packed. i really believe that one day there will alot more regulation due to accidents and mishaps.

i'd like to encourage any responsible kiter to advise anyone that is new to the sport to get lessons on safety from a qualified kite surfing instructor. If you see someoen that doesn't look like they know what they are doing...try not ignore them. Pay attention and help where you can.

For those already kiting...perhaps try to avoid complacency with kiting in certain conditions and certain beaches. Keeping an open eye to other kiters and PUBLIC around you and checking your equipment.

With the growth of kiteboarding lets try to keep it safe and save our beaches.
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