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Created by Gazuki 25 days ago, 5 May 2020
Gazuki
WA, 1146 posts
5 May 2020 3:38PM
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Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.

Plummet
4714 posts
5 May 2020 5:14PM
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Nasty.

Because I use a slider rope and low friction ring I use the safety everytime I finish. It's good because it's a forced practice.

psychojoe
VIC, 727 posts
5 May 2020 7:20PM
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Good post Gaz. That reminds me, my knife is a little dull. Might take my Airush out tomorrow and leave the core at home.

shi thouse
WA, 913 posts
5 May 2020 5:21PM
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Core make great kites...top quality and fly beautifully.

Two major issues I see however:
- the deflation system is ****e. Having to use a little plastic doovalacky to deflate the kite is a PITA.
- the bar!!

I agree with everything you say above, and am please to hear you are safe. Having to twist is dumb. Pushing away is a much more natural action. Lining the opening up with the loop to come out is also an issue. Plus the chicken loop plastic becomes rigid over time, thus straightening out is a problem when you want it to release from your harness.

What I do like about the bar is the automatic untwist of the centre lines after looping . The ceramic bearings work a treat.

I recently bought a Duotone Trust bar (as it had a high Y setting) to go with my sons Core kites as I didn't "trust" the safety system for a child in particular. It is a great bar however, it doesn't automatically untwist after loops and the plastic bit you grab to twist the centre lines is hard to turn and makes unwinding difficult.

Maybe the Duo Click bar but $$$$$$, plus from what I have read on a previous post, there seems to be an issue with centre line wear.

I am keen to hear what options you are considering to go with your kites.

All the best and safe kiting!!!!

DJMWA
WA, 307 posts
5 May 2020 5:37PM
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I learnt that kiting frontside in the surf is fricken amazing, I totally get why all the goofies in PERTH only do downwinders now.

wishy
WA, 1449 posts
6 May 2020 5:31AM
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My general feeling is that all bars work well upto about 25knots. Where a good bar shines is when it's under heavy load (e.g. getting rolled in surf in 40 knots), sand in the mechanism, worn lines, and still releases perfectly almost every time.

Not that anyone should be kiting in 40+ it's way too dangerous

dafish
NSW, 1450 posts
6 May 2020 8:17AM
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As Plummet mentioned, having a rope slider for many years now and a low friction ring, I have to check my safety every single session, so I know it works. I always make sure too that if I loop a ton that I have looped back the opposite way to clear the center lines, or I spin the swivel to even out the lines. Any more than 4 loops on the center lines will compromise the way the bar system will flag. The other thing I would note is that any session that seems to have an extra sense of danger, (gusty, frontal etc) I am always doing the scenarios in my head before they happen. Most important of all is this: It's only a kite and bar. If **** gets nasty I have no hesitation in getting rid of the whole lot. I want to keep enjoying my life and my family.
All good advice here, and glad that you didn't suffer any damage to yourself in those moment.

CJ2478
NSW, 403 posts
6 May 2020 9:00AM
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Core twist release on rope slider is an accident waiting to happen. great gear but i got sick of all the gimmicks (twist release, deflation tab, incompatible with most pumps) and moved them on

KPSS Used
NSW, 276 posts
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6 May 2020 9:36AM
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Gazuki said..
Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.


Crikey glad you are ok was your kite damaged the spot looks gnarly for self landing. I was just looking at Gordons pics of Andre and Ry, it sure looked windy yesterday and from the North too yeah?
Thanks for sharing your experience, its helps us all learn, and serves as a reminder to always be checking safety systems.
Were you using a rope slider?
Kiters should avoid rope slider systems with the current core bar. (new one is push away at last!) We sell core, but I've always disliked the bar and when I have tested Core kites I always use my tried and trusty ozone bar.
I ride a slider system and self launch and self land 90+% just because I'm really used to it and i know it works 100% safely every time (and with plan B redundancy if I ever needed it - only in big surf - ditch the kite completely)

I made this video with Glen Bowden a while back, sorry its branded but the motivation was not advertising (nor is it now) its to spread the word about a safe way of landing unassisted, leading to great confidence and independence. Using the safety system regularly like this is the key to knowing what safety release does and also builds the muscle memory and thought pattern to "just do it"!


cbulota
WA, 1245 posts
6 May 2020 7:54AM
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Safety systems sure have come a long way for the last 20 years.

The good news is that new International (ISO) quick release safety standards are already in place since February this year.

www.surfertoday.com/kiteboarding/iso-21853-the-new-standard-for-kite-bar-quick-release-systems

Of course that only applies to newly manufactured equipment. That being said, I know that some manufacturers (including Airush with the new IQR) have manufactured 2020 products that are already compliant with these new standards.

There was a video posted online showing how the Core safety could potentially jam in exactly the same circumstances mentioned above but that was quickly taken offline........

Lots of lessons to be learned from the post above. I believe the most important ones are 1) ensure you safety systems work well all the time and 2) never hesitate to fully release your kite in heavy winds.

If it can help anyone, I have made the full safety system video available below:



Stay safe!

Christian - KiteBud

shi thouse
WA, 913 posts
6 May 2020 7:58AM
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KPSS Used said..

Gazuki said..
Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.



Crikey glad you are ok was your kite damaged the spot looks gnarly for self landing. I was just looking at Gordons pics of Andre and Ry, it sure looked windy yesterday and from the North too yeah?
Thanks for sharing your experience, its helps us all learn, and serves as a reminder to always be checking safety systems.
Were you using a rope slider?
Kiters should avoid rope slider systems with the current core bar. (new one is push away at last!) We sell core, but I've always disliked the bar and when I have tested Core kites I always use my tried and trusty ozone bar.
I ride a slider system and self launch and self land 90+% just because I'm really used to it and i know it works 100% safely every time (and with plan B redundancy if I ever needed it - only in big surf - ditch the kite completely)

I made this video with Glen Bowden a while back, sorry its branded but the motivation was not advertising (nor is it now) its to spread the word about a safe way of landing unassisted, leading to great confidence and independence. Using the safety system regularly like this is the key to knowing what safety release does and also builds the muscle memory and thought pattern to "just do it"!



Do you know if there will be a way of modifying the older bars to the new click system?

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6 May 2020 10:35AM
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Do you know if there will be a way of modifying the older bars to the new click system?


I just watched the sensor 3 bar promo vid and from the look of it I reckon it will be possible to retrofit if Core make all the sensor 3 parts available, and they should because the twist away system was a flawed design and actually quite dodgy to use with rope sliders.
Many brands bars have now incorporated the "seat belt click in" system first released by Ozone and this is a good thing for the industry, one handed simple and fast release that does not damage hands or fingers even under high load, works with all spreader bar systems including sliders. Simple above bar cleat, flag out to one single front line. But the Core system seems to still have a high Y? The video says 4:1 trimming so it seems like there is a slider at the Y, but no details about how its all rigged. Could mean a bit of a hassle/cost to convert the old bar?

corekites.com/us/bars/sensor-3

AUS126
NSW, 132 posts
6 May 2020 12:26PM
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cbulota said..
Safety systems sure have come a long way for the last 20 years.

The good news is that new International (ISO) quick release safety standards are already in place since February this year.

www.surfertoday.com/kiteboarding/iso-21853-the-new-standard-for-kite-bar-quick-release-systems

Of course that only applies to newly manufactured equipment. That being said, I know that some manufacturers (including Airush with the new IQR) have manufactured 2020 products that are already compliant with these new standards.

There was a video posted online showing how the Core safety could potentially jam in exactly the same circumstances mentioned above but that was quickly taken offline........

Lots of lessons to be learned from the post above. I believe the most important ones are 1) ensure you safety systems work well all the time and 2) never hesitate to fully release your kite in heavy winds.

If it can help anyone, I have made the full safety system video available below:



Stay safe!

Christian - KiteBud


Nothing went in. Too hard to concentrate for this old man.

Gazuki
WA, 1146 posts
6 May 2020 10:46AM
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Some good info, thanks all.

Yeah no damage, there's a nice sandy bay just around from that headland.

But yeah,. You do become complacent kiting nice gentle seabreezes all summer that hardly change. Definitely a good time to check your gear, and refresh the very basics.

Stay safe all!

snalberski
WA, 706 posts
6 May 2020 12:48PM
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When I learnt to foilboard 4 years ago I became focused on the importance of a properly functioning safety release system. The Switch bar I had at that time had a design issuse causing the flagout line to jam preventing flagout, which was noted by me and many user (front line v bracket problem ). They changed their bar design completely to a bar that had the same problem, albeit generated from a different location (chicken loop central saftey line channel). Their latest bar which I had a firsthand look at was designed from the ground up starting with a generous safteyline channel (I spoke directly with the designer) and a focus on safety and function. I currently use Ozone bars based largely on their simple but effective saftey release system (and large cental hole in the bar). Although I haven't used one the latest Switch bar looks to be ticking every safety and function box.
My point really is that the vast majority of kiters never use safety release systems... simply because its usually never required. Because of this most carry on blissfully unaware that if a problem occurs, their bars design or the current level of maintenance applied to the release system would disallow any function of safety release. ....Only when theres a problem is there a problem. This can easily and instantly tranform into a life and death situation.
Every kiter would benefit from having a detalied knowledge of their bars safety mechanisms and how to identify and fix failings .

Plummet
4714 posts
6 May 2020 2:29PM
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Rather than buying a complete bar, why not just buy an alternative brand chickenloop?

shi thouse
WA, 913 posts
6 May 2020 3:14PM
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Just looked at the Euro - AUD price (before factoring in other costs) for the new bar = $1k.....and thats for the base model bar!

Yeah, might be worth looking at changing the safety over somehow with another. brand or Core part if it becomes available.

weebitbreezy
459 posts
6 May 2020 4:44PM
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This QR is an economical change that works with a double rope depower.

www.kiteattitude.fr/en/65-aka-quick-releaser-v2.html

I have been using the full bar for my small kites and its alright. The swivel isn't as good as the ceramic bearings in the click bar but is easier than the duotone Ironheart by a long way. When released, the QR will stay open until you pull it down again to load it up which is easier to reload than some.

Only grumble I have is that the donkey dick is very stiff. Makes detaching it tricky in cold weather with small gap/closed hooks like those used by manera. It was fine with my Ion harness though.

Peahi
VIC, 1212 posts
6 May 2020 10:52PM
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dafish said..
As Plummet mentioned, having a rope slider for many years now and a low friction ring, I have to check my safety every single session, so I know it works. I always make sure too that if I loop a ton that I have looped back the opposite way to clear the center lines, or I spin the swivel to even out the lines. Any more than 4 loops on the center lines will compromise the way the bar system will flag. The other thing I would note is that any session that seems to have an extra sense of danger, (gusty, frontal etc) I am always doing the scenarios in my head before they happen. Most important of all is this: It's only a kite and bar. If **** gets nasty I have no hesitation in getting rid of the whole lot. I want to keep enjoying my life and my family.
All good advice here, and glad that you didn't suffer any damage to yourself in those moment.



solid words there.. but I would add that you're not checking the flag out of the kite every now and then you cannot be sure the depower line will not be stuck even if the QR is working each time, so every now and then i release safety while flying to ensure.

Note to self: Check and untwist centre lines free BEFORE launching (often mine have many twists) as this is another time things can go wrong quick

But at the end of the day if you are flying too large a kite fully depowered in a frontal system (and we all heard about the WA one coming) you're asking for trouble, I generally err on the smaller kite so I can manage the gusts better on a surfboard (probably easier on twintip)

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 356 posts
6 May 2020 9:50PM
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whats Depower gaz ??

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7 May 2020 7:26AM
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shi thouse said..
Just looked at the Euro - AUD price (before factoring in other costs) for the new bar = $1k.....and thats for the base model bar!

Yeah, might be worth looking at changing the safety over somehow with another. brand or Core part if it becomes available.


Hopefully Core will adjust the price lower for the Australian market, they would not be competitive otherwise. A Corezone bar is an option just not sure if the centre hole arrangement will work with the Ozone external flagout line.

Intheozone
WA, 240 posts
7 May 2020 1:08PM
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Gazuki said..
Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.


Yep, I have always doubted the core bar. I use my core kites with a North/(duotone) click bar. I like this combo.

weebitbreezy
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7 May 2020 9:23PM
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Intheozone said..

Gazuki said..
Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.



Yep, I have always doubted the core bar. I use my core kites with a North/(duotone) click bar. I like this combo.


Have you had much chance to do a back to back on the bars? I was told that the core lines have less spring so they fly differently to the duotone ones. I have flown both but never back to back to feel the difference (and the core bar had more time on the lines than the duotone bar)

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8 May 2020 1:11PM
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shi thouse said..
Just looked at the Euro - AUD price (before factoring in other costs) for the new bar = $1k.....and thats for the base model bar!

Yeah, might be worth looking at changing the safety over somehow with another. brand or Core part if it becomes available.


Just about to begin putting all the new Core bars online and have the info so I though I'd stop the guessing. The Sensor 3 bar 24m lines with short leash is $899
Sensor 3 + 52cm 18/24m lines with ceramic bearing and short leash is $999
Sensor 3 pro carbon with tectanium18/24m lines and the rest of the 3+ inclusions $1199
Sensor 3 pro wake 42/36cm with all the above and pro leash & accessories $1329

All Sensor 3 Parts are available including the chicken loop ($298 + bearing $29), but I'm still not sure if its worth it or possible to update the sensor 2 bars. (core price list says the parts are not backwards compatible).

Plummet
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8 May 2020 2:32PM
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What sort of fked up world do we live if when 4 pits of string a bar and some plastic blow moulded **** costs $1329. That's crazy ****.

simon78
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8 May 2020 3:39PM
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I have unintentionally fired the core swivel quick release (on the 1st pro bar)more than 6, perhaps 10 times. (I am on my 2nd depower rope- so 100hrs to 150hrs of use)

i have marked the center position with a black dot and check it regularly when riding. Surprising how often I partially twist the release without knowing. Stupid it will happily rest millimeters from release!

the ceramic untwist works perfectly.

tectanium lines have stretched or shrunk one rear is 100mm different from the other. Each time I look under the floaters I wonder if I should be replacing the lines- but they look in new condition so just make the required adjustments and keep using them.

KPSS Used
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8 May 2020 7:27PM
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They are all online now www.kitepower.com.au/collections/control-bars/core
I'll add more pics and details over the coming days.

MDSXR6T
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8 May 2020 6:24PM
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Plummet said..
What sort of fked up world do we live if when 4 pits of string a bar and some plastic blow moulded **** costs $1329. That's crazy ****.



40% in actual costs and 60% towards 21 international pro team riders, fancy videos in exotic locations etc

Gateman
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8 May 2020 9:24PM
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I have unintentionally fired the core swivel quick release (on the 1st pro bar)more than 6, perhaps 10 times. (I am on my 2nd depower rope- so 100hrs to 150hrs of use)

i have marked the center position with a black dot and check it regularly when riding. Surprising how often I partially twist the release without knowing. Stupid it will happily rest millimeters from release!

the ceramic untwist works perfectly.

tectanium lines have stretched or shrunk one rear is 100mm different from the other. Each time I look under the floaters I wonder if I should be replacing the lines- but they look in new condition so just make the required adjustments and keep using them.


Just a question Simon: do you always jump or loop on the same tack? Just asking because the rear lines are the steering lines, they have the least amount of tension except when looping. For these to stretch or shrink with a 100mm difference would be bizarre if you do equal amount both directions. Might make sense if you only do down winders and stay on the same tack most of the time too though I guess.....

Plummet
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9 May 2020 3:09AM
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MDSXR6T said..

Plummet said..
What sort of fked up world do we live if when 4 pits of string a bar and some plastic blow moulded **** costs $1329. That's crazy ****.




40% in actual costs and 60% towards 21 international pro team riders, fancy videos in exotic locations etc


I reckon there's a good $100 worth of manufacturing cost in a bar. Double that for the manufacturer $200, double it for the distributor $400, Double it for the reseller, $800..... MAX.... there's an extra $529 of arse reaming margins going on....

Rant over. Well maybe ill rant a bit more

I remember when an expensive bar was $600. Thing is the tech hasn't changes much at all, theres not additional material added or complexity. No! Some fat cat somewhere just thought "ill ream some bumholes wider just because I can, and those idiots will pay....bahahahhahahah"

Intheozone
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9 May 2020 6:02AM
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Intheozone said..


Gazuki said..
Went for a kite today and learnt some pretty basic lessons that I thought I might share as we are coming into winter.

So was out today and I broke my own personal rule of never riding on full depower. I always like to have a little up my sleeve, just incase. But today was glorious, despite being strong AF, it wasn't gusty or stormy, so I continued with my session on full depower. However as the wind came up a little I headed in,. This is where it almost went really bad. By this stage I'm really struggling to hold the kite,. Not even contemplating self landing and this is where I learnt my lessons...

First up,.. the core safety system is soooo sheet. I've been pretty loyal fan for about 6 years but not no more,. I will never buy another kite purely due to their safety system. Now I've bagged the twist release before,. But I'm going to reiterate how silly it is. I'm standing on the beach, twisting, looking,.. ooops, not quite lined up,. Then bingo. Good luck with that getting dragged through the water.

Next,. Issue, same as I've bagged on here before,.with my old bar,. The chicken loop struggled to open despite being way overloaded.

Then for some reason,. And I don't know why,. But once released, it went a meter then stopped,. Fully loaded with the bar just in reach,.. kite siting leading edge straight down, wanting to take of a a loop like crazy. I'm properly pooping myself about now.

So finally to the point,. First lesson,.. check your safety.!! I'm lazy and rarely do,. Only odd limes like today. Stupid I know but I only kite gear that less than two years old,. Should be good bar a bit of sand. Anyhows check it.

Second lesson,.. for those who have been kiting a while,. Go back a refresh your basic emergency drills. When I was stuck with a fully loaded/released kite I wanted to ditch the lot,.looked to release my harness,.. had difficulties cuz it was loaded, then seen the second safety and was like oh, that's right.

And last lesson for those with a core bar,. Check it works with support of others around,. Not solo. Maybe even investigate different bars. Honestly,. I'm done,. I've had a few close calls because their safety system haven't done what they are meant to. Three different bar, all less than two years old,.. just saying.

Maybe I'm just a look but if that is the case they should still work.hopefully this doesn't get taken down because of being critical, it is to raise awareness.




Yep, I have always doubted the core bar. I use my core kites with a North/(duotone) click bar. I like this combo.



Have you had much chance to do a back to back on the bars? I was told that the core lines have less spring so they fly differently to the duotone ones. I have flown both but never back to back to feel the difference (and the core bar had more time on the lines than the duotone bar)


Yes flew them back to back and could not notice a substantial difference



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