Twinskin kites - why are there so few in the water

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puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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19 Oct 2007 11:04am
quote:
Originally posted by azza
PS. I don't have a quiver of kites, I have a stable, there's six (6) flyable inflatables...


Make that 8
(basturd just STOLE 2 of mine )
and still no doonas

edit
damn - bit late with this post.
Lesson here: Always read the whole thread b4 dumping in a post
mrbonk
mrbonk
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19 Oct 2007 1:47pm
Counting the 2 new V2's I just got, my total is only 9. If I count my trainer and buggy foils, that jumps to 14 though
azza
azza
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19 Oct 2007 2:22pm
Yes... OK, I have a problem. But I have it under control, I do, and I'm not giving it up.... not for no-one!

But here is something that can be done when you have much "shizen" lying around...

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31520
poor relative
poor relative
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9106 posts
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19 Oct 2007 5:58pm
I have two kites.
The minimalist approach is coolest.
azza
azza
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19 Oct 2007 7:45pm
quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

I have two kites.
The minimalist approach is coolest.



I'll give you a kite if you shave that rug under your arm... now that would be cool.
kiteastrophy
kiteastrophy
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29 posts
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19 Oct 2007 10:07pm
too many pages for me to read but has anyone mentioned "auto zenith?"
.......i heard there was an inflatable that could do that once........
user
user
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20 Oct 2007 5:28am
Foil users wear UGH boots !
fver
fver
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20 Oct 2007 4:55pm
Hi All!

I would like to propose a theory about the "Spongy Feeling" of foils.

I believe that what is called "spongy feeling" is possibly a more even distribution of the stresses through the canopy and a more progressive transfert of the pull from the canopy to the rider through multiple bridles, for foils. For inflatables, and even more for C, less bridles means that the pull from the canopy travels more directly through a lower number of lines to the rider.

Let's try to illustrate the above theory using an example. Let's compare a kite whose canopy is linked to the rider using 4 lines (C shape kite) and a kite which may have, say 30 line attachments to the canopy (a foil). When you turn the C kite, the pull from the canopy travel towards the 4 lines without being directed to the rider and concentrate into the 4 lines to the rider, giving a feel of reactivity and responsiveness of the kite. For a foil, the stress of the canopy will spread between the multitude of lines and will travel ealier, more progressively and less simultaneously, to the rider.

It seems that the "spongy feeling' theory was strong a few years ago, during the 'C Age'. The theory is not as strong now, during the 'Bow Age'. This might support the theory that the "spongy feeling" is directly linked with the number of attachments to the canopy.

Not sure if the attempt of explanation is clear, or even correct, but that 's a try!

Excellent winds to All!!!

Fred
poor relative
poor relative
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20 Oct 2007 5:11pm
I saw a beautiful bow tie today.
The epitome of bow tie
fver
fver
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20 Oct 2007 5:15pm
An epiwhat?

To help everyone:
1 ( the epitome of) a person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type : she looked the epitome of elegance and good taste


Fred
user
user
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20 Oct 2007 5:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by fver

Hi All!

I would like to propose a theory about the "Spongy Feeling" of foils.

I believe that what is called "spongy feeling" is possibly a more even distribution of the stresses through the canopy and a more progressive transfert of the pull from the canopy to the rider through multiple bridles, for foils. For inflatables, and even more for C, less bridles means that the pull from the canopy travels more directly through a lower number of lines to the rider.

Let's try to illustrate the above theory using an example. Let's compare a kite whose canopy is linked to the rider using 4 lines (C shape kite) and a kite which may have, say 30 line attachments to the canopy (a foil). When you turn the C kite, the pull from the canopy travel towards the 4 lines without being directed to the rider and concentrate into the 4 lines to the rider, giving a feel of reactivity and responsiveness of the kite. For a foil, the stress of the canopy will spread between the multitude of lines and will travel ealier, more progressively and less simultaneously, to the rider.

It seems that the "spongy feeling' theory was strong a few years ago, during the 'C Age'. The theory is not as strong now, during the 'Bow Age'. This might support the theory that the "spongy feeling" is directly linked with the number of attachments to the canopy.

Not sure if the attempt of explanation is clear, or even correct, but that 's a try!

Excellent winds to All!!!

Fred




Mate....they feel "spongy" because they are floppy !
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
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21 Oct 2007 10:05am
Yeah user you're right, sometimes I do get a bit floppy - can't keep it hard ALL day - especially in me old age LOL

BTW how's your bladder problems going?
user
user
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21 Oct 2007 4:04pm
Nothing floppy about me !

I'm well hard,and so is my kite !
waveslave
waveslave
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21 Oct 2007 5:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by fver

Let's compare a kite whose canopy is linked to the rider using 4 lines (C shape kite) and a kite which may have, say 30 line attachments to the canopy (a foil).




Even if it was FREE,
you couldn't GIVE me a kite with 30 freaking strings.
lol.
Mr float
Mr float
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3452 posts
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21 Oct 2007 10:19pm
I concur .unless of course it performed miracles


quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
Originally posted by fver






Even if it was FREE,
you couldn't GIVE me a kite with 30 freaking strings.
lol.

Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
22 Oct 2007 3:17pm
You'd pray for a miracle to get that look off USERS face.
Juddy
Juddy
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22 Oct 2007 3:35pm
well, all I can say is that there's at least one more twin skin on the water - I picked up a brand spanking new PL Venom 10m on Saturday & had a sensational session @ Leighton Saturday arvo...kite is like a rocket...
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
22 Oct 2007 3:42pm
10 meter venom...you must weigh 50 kgs!

go venoms!

Whats the score with the new Peter Lynn Kites anyone?
Juddy
Juddy
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22 Oct 2007 3:48pm
85kg thanks very much. In 22/23knots or above the 10 works just fine...I can promise you that. The regular kite is the 13m
mrbonk
mrbonk
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483 posts
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22 Oct 2007 5:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

85kg thanks very much. In 22/23knots or above the 10 works just fine...I can promise you that. The regular kite is the 13m



Same for me....had my 10M V2 out on the weekend in ~20kts and was going fine. ~70kgs for me atm though.
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
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382 posts
22 Oct 2007 4:03pm
Spose... i had my 13 up and was super powered!
waveslave
waveslave
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22 Oct 2007 7:01pm
Tonewolf, mrbonk, Juddy,

When you are thru with your doona-chatroom convo....
can we get back to the slagging please.
Thanks.
Mr float
Mr float
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22 Oct 2007 10:27pm
still no word from the powers that be that except "be patient" Some r saying "I found something else thankyou very much.Great kites but 3rd season on V 2" Hmmmmm!



quote:
Originally posted by Tonewolf

10 meter venom...you must weigh 50 kgs!

go venoms!

Whats the score with the new Peter Lynn Kites anyone?

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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22 Oct 2007 8:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

85kg thanks very much. In 22/23knots or above the 10 works just fine...I can promise you that. The regular kite is the 13m



LOL was that you bow tied?
It looked beautiful.
Juddy
Juddy
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23 Oct 2007 9:56am
Compared to your underarm growth, anything looks farken beautiful...
Mr float
Mr float
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23 Oct 2007 12:50pm
Poor form !
I have seen all sorts of s..t on all sorts of kites happen in 10 years of kiting and yes venoms can bow tie .the other day I accidently unhooked not realising and let go of a blow up with all sorts of headaches ,.Fortunately my bros on the water didn't just sit back and laugh they helped and the situation and it was sorted safely and quickly
it is unfortunate to see tribal BS creep into a sport that has been renowned for its fellowship and the good nature of most.

quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

85kg thanks very much. In 22/23knots or above the 10 works just fine...I can promise you that. The regular kite is the 13m



LOL was that you bow tied?
It looked beautiful.

helmet head
helmet head
NSW
7 posts
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26 Oct 2007 1:49am
Guys, we all know Twin Skins are the most stable, learner friendly and forgiving kites on the market. Whether it be a twin skin or inflatable it is all about "flying the kite". What counts is statisfying the riders need/ability, performance expectations and minimising the ugly/fury bits.

I agree - - - would love to see the shaved arm pit.

Word of mouth is the Venoms best friend.
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
26 Oct 2007 12:43pm
Your mouth could be!
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