Unhooked technique

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tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
3 Feb 2009 8:46pm
Today I tried to unhook for the first time (except for one dismal attempt a month or so ago). I read a couple of forums since then and I think I am now theoretically doing the right thing:

Hold a nice edge then depower. Vear off down wind to put a bit of slack in the lines and unhook. Edge again for a little while. Then vear off down wind again to get slack in the lines and hook back in.

I was riding a 12 meter Switchblade 2 in 15 knot Southerly wind at Brighton Le Sands and I'm 75 kg.

I am having two main problems that I can identify:

1) Can't hook back in - I try and pull the bar down, and the chicken loop has swiveled around and is sideways, or the donkey d*ck has gotten in the way. I have to stop and sink in the water, put the kite at 12, and slowly ease it back on. Do people some how make the chicken loop not do this?

2) Holding the power - I don't think Im weak as sh1t, and I think the Switchblade is OK for unhooking, but unless the kite is directly above me, my arms start to ache after a couple of seconds. If I don't get the chicken loop in on the first or second attempt, I pretty much have to stop, sink and bring the kite back to 12 to ease it back on. I have seen videos where they are unhooked and holding with 1 hand for a couple of seconds, with what looks to me like not too much effort at all. What am I doing wrong? Or is it that I'm a piss ant?

If anyone could help me on these, I'd be greatly appreciative.
Cheers,
Tom
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
3 Feb 2009 8:46pm
Hmm, maybe you should consider getting into the gym.

Nah, seriously it is just technique, as with pretty much everything in this sport.

First, not sure about your popping technique. Hold a nice edge (good) but don't depower. Vear slightly down wind and unhook and then load your lines, edging hard against your kite. When loaded release and pop.

When you land, land pointing at the kite. You will then be travelling basically the same speed as the kite making it easy to hook back in.

One technique that will probably address both of your issues is to hook back in leaving one hand on the bar and the other to grab the chicken loop. That way if its twisted you can simply straighten it up. That way you can also depower the kite slightly by pushing the bar away from you if you are struggling with this. If you try and pull the entire bar toward you with both hands obviously you are sheeting in to full power.

As to the donkey d**k, I always take mine off but I guess that is personal preference. I don't ride with them ever so it's unnecessary.
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
3 Feb 2009 9:50pm
Cheers. I wasn't actually trying to pop at all. I was more just getting the feel for riding unhooked. I never thought of holding the chicken loop whilst hooking back in.
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
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3 Feb 2009 9:34pm
Ah, my mistake. Well ignore the popping bit but the rest applies.
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
3 Feb 2009 8:37pm
tmiddled said...

Cheers. I wasn't actually trying to pop at all. I was more just getting the feel for riding unhooked. I never thought of holding the chicken loop whilst hooking back in.


There's no reason to do this. Its pointless trying to just ride around unhooked, there's no benefit. Just bear off down wind, unhook and pop, then hook back in. As said above, holding the chicken loop with one hand works well
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
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3 Feb 2009 11:08pm
skiddz said...

tmiddled said...

Cheers. I wasn't actually trying to pop at all. I was more just getting the feel for riding unhooked. I never thought of holding the chicken loop whilst hooking back in.


There's no reason to do this. Its pointless trying to just ride around unhooked, there's no benefit. Just bear off down wind, unhook and pop, then hook back in. As said above, holding the chicken loop with one hand works well


This is the method some of the instruction videos prescribe for people to get used to unhooked and hooking back in. I think the major issue here is you are not supposed to unhook and edge for very long. Its a short and quick process.
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
3 Feb 2009 10:27pm
Saffer said...

skiddz said...

tmiddled said...

Cheers. I wasn't actually trying to pop at all. I was more just getting the feel for riding unhooked. I never thought of holding the chicken loop whilst hooking back in.


There's no reason to do this. Its pointless trying to just ride around unhooked, there's no benefit. Just bear off down wind, unhook and pop, then hook back in. As said above, holding the chicken loop with one hand works well


This is the method some of the instruction videos prescribe for people to get used to unhooked and hooking back in. I think the major issue here is you are not supposed to unhook and edge for very long. Its a short and quick process.


Yes true. Practising unhooking and hooking back in is worth it
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
WA, 381 posts
4 Feb 2009 10:52am
On a 4 liner kite where do you connect your safety leash to?
Chicken loop?
Or as the original setting to one of the power lines?
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
4 Feb 2009 1:03pm
When normal riding, I connect just above the chicken loop.

However, as I was trying a new thing yesterday, I connected to one of the back lines so the kite will flag if I screw up.

Whats the best option?
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
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4 Feb 2009 11:45am
tmiddled said...

When normal riding, I connect just above the chicken loop.

However, as I was trying a new thing yesterday, I connected to one of the back lines so the kite will flag if I screw up.

Whats the best option?

If by normal you mean hooked in why have the leash on the chicken loop, if you release the chicken loop then surely you don't want the leash on there.
Then unhooking you don't wan't the kite flagging every time you let go of the bar.
bargearse
bargearse
QLD
148 posts
QLD, 148 posts
4 Feb 2009 1:16pm
I am also trying to unhook and have started to notice that it's sorta best to spend as little time as possible unhooked? i.e. unhook, do whatever and then get it back in? It just feels so wrong. I always thought it would be like when you wakeboard or even like unhooking windsurfing, but it's just not a nice pull. maybee i need to depower my kite more. I can do a raily easy but i have to travel a loong way downwind to try and hook back in. does it ever feel better once you get the techniqu down?
Ksanti
Ksanti
15 posts
15 posts
4 Feb 2009 12:36pm
tmiddled said...


1) Can't hook back in - I try and pull the bar down, and the chicken loop has swiveled around and is sideways, or the donkey d*ck has gotten in the way. I have to stop and sink in the water, put the kite at 12, and slowly ease it back on. Do people some how make the chicken loop not do this?



some chicken loops are awesome for hooking back in ... some arent.

the naish cloop is piss easy for hooking back in. it sits there w8ing .... no twists. and should the ddick be required still ... it can be pushed to one side.

in ur case. u may need to grab the cloop with one hand to do it ...... try going downwind more to get slack aswell.

kev
Ksanti
Ksanti
15 posts
15 posts
4 Feb 2009 12:41pm
and make sure u trim ur kite properly. with bows hbrids u may be too powered up ... u just dont realise it being hooked in with all the depower. once unhooked there aint no depower.

my 2cents worth ....
Johnt
Johnt
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
4 Feb 2009 12:45pm
What worked for me was as fozzy suggested, but also using both hands on the unhook, the riding and the re:hooking - one hand holding the chicken loop and the other the bar, so when unhooking, the power of the kite can be controlled - if you get out of control, you use both hands to depower the kite and regain control or hook up again.
Once you get used to riding like that, then ease onto the one handed stuff.

A lot easier when you are riding a wave and the kite is really just hanging there without putting a lot of force on the arms.

Martiin
Martiin
17 posts
17 posts
4 Feb 2009 6:07pm
bargearse said...

I am also trying to unhook and have started to notice that it's sorta best to spend as little time as possible unhooked? i.e. unhook, do whatever and then get it back in? It just feels so wrong. I always thought it would be like when you wakeboard or even like unhooking windsurfing, but it's just not a nice pull. maybee i need to depower my kite more. I can do a raily easy but i have to travel a loong way downwind to try and hook back in. does it ever feel better once you get the techniqu down?


Correcto mundo. Its very difficult to ride unhooked for long periods of time. Make sure your kite is trimmed right then start practicing. Its all about short periods and hooking back in directly after a trick while your lines are still slack. Its somthing that feels better and gets easier the more you do it, you'll also find it becomes less physically demanding as your technique improves. Try practicing small jumps unhooking in the air then hooking back in after landing.
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
4 Feb 2009 8:02pm
A couple other things may help if it is not just how long you are staying unhooked that is the problem... depower the kite just before you unhook - especially for bows, just prior to hooking back in turn your board to track straight at the kite, then focus all your efforts and two hands on re-hooking in ( lines should go slack for 2 - 3 seconds while you point at your kite coming off a speedy edge )
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5126 posts
VIC, 5126 posts
4 Feb 2009 11:26pm
Go to a Cabrinha shop and scrounge one of the old chicken loops without the swivel and cut off the donkey dick.

The loop is a little bigger and without the swivel it just sits there and doesn't flop around. It's super easy to hook back into.
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
5 Feb 2009 10:14am
Surely I can just somehow sieze the swivel so it doesn't spin around any more? Is that dangerous at all?

I'll also attach a little clip to the side of the chicken loop so it doesn't get in the way when unhooking. Then I can clip/unclip as required. Anyone tried this with successful results?
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
5 Feb 2009 9:22am
if you ride with a non swivelling CL then your front lines will twist every time you do a rotation. better to just learn to grab it when hooking back in.
also i think the craphina CL already has a ring for attaching the leash so it doesn't get in the way
holnissurfer
holnissurfer
QLD
21 posts
QLD, 21 posts
5 Feb 2009 4:26pm
According to all the unhook 'unease' comments....
Like mentioned the 'onehand on chickenloop' is a good tecnique....

And the second thing is the Kite setup: Is is very important to depower as mutch, that the kite is flying (fully powered) on the front lines.... that makes the kite unhooked a lot more compfortable.

According to the uneven pull: bring your frontlines 'in' on the setting as mutch as possible kite gets slower, put the pull gets a lot more constant.

Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
5 Feb 2009 5:57pm
These are the best bars for unhooking. If you come in overpowered just grab the quick release as your riding along, this depowers the kite and you just hook back in without having to play with your chicken loop.



I haven't seen another bar that's like these ones, half of them you pull the QR if you touch it and the other half catch your fingers so you end up with a powered kite and your fingers stuck in the QR
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