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Cab2

3 posts

Cab2

3 posts

16 Sep 2007 9:58pm

what does that mean exactly?

what do we get for our free lessons

Is that one person with one instructor or is that a group thing that they do ?

I meet a guy on the beach who told me about this website and to take a look here first. maybe somebody knows.
Great site !

Hope someone can help, its hard when you dont know much about what your looking to get into.

THANKS

kitecrazzy

77 posts

kitecrazzy

WA, 77 posts

16 Sep 2007 10:03pm

depends where you are...
in perth some shops will do a deal with lessons included with a purchase over a said amount. choice do it i think, ask the shops what they say.
www.waksa.org.au > go to the links page and find the shop list. (if u r in wa)

Bigwavedave

QLD

2057 posts

Bigwavedave

QLD, 2057 posts

17 Sep 2007 7:28am

Technically the lessons aren't free. The profit made from the gear covers the instructors time.

It's a good system. There is less pressure on the student to learn the necessary skills in the quickest possible time. When you pay $75 per hour or so for lessons, you want to try to get going asap so as to save money. When the lessons are unlimited the emphasis is on getting it right without the pressure of time.

Cab2

3 posts

Cab2

3 posts

17 Sep 2007 8:08am

so really we are paying higher price for our equipment.....

well that makes sense, what can you get for free....these days

unlimited though, what if im uncoordinated and there getting lessons for ever, surely one to one lessons with an instructor would end up costing them big time, maybe they wil get angry with me

Bigwavedave

QLD

2057 posts

Bigwavedave

QLD, 2057 posts

17 Sep 2007 10:16am

Most shops make their money out of the gear. The instructors make the money on lessons. When the instructor is the shop, like Choicy and a few others, the profit on gear covers the lessons too.

Phone around and do the maths. Get a package price from a shop and lesson prices from a school. Then see if the unlimited lesson deal is the same.

It doen't matter how long it takes you to learn, the instructor is on the beach anyway. Once you've learnt the basics you only will need general supervision until you are indepenent. It's only in the first few hours that you need constant help and supervision.

Whatever you choose to do, enjoy....and welcome to the best life on the planet!!

gc

29 posts

WA, 29 posts

17 Sep 2007 11:22am

Hi Cab 2 I'm probably highly qualified to respond to your question.
Just under 2 years ago I met Graham (Choicey, Choice Kite Surfing).
Choicey's major concern in the shop was to determine where I wanted to go with my Kite Surfing Experience, Free style, Wake Style or Surf, he located my expectations prior to recomending any kite. Even before I bought a kite he was teaching me regards the subtleties of Kite size, wind range and kite style.I bought an 11 metre 06 Fuel with the assurance of free lessons. I have had numerous hours of instruction from Choicey on the beach, in the water and riding together. There has even been a day where he has suggested I leave a kite in the bag and yes it was blowing.
Currently I am in Exmouth with Choicey and a number of other Kite Surfers. You could say I am attending Kite Surf Wave Riding University and with or without Master Card I would call the experience Priceless. At what point do the lessons stop? I haven't received a bill for the lesson I had on Friday, 28 knots 3 metre swell 200 metre rides. I can't speak for every shop that offers free lessons however my experience with Choicey is that there is no downside for the learner. I pay no more for my kites than anyone who buys them elsewhere, and have never paid to have my lines tuned, minor repairs done or endless hours of questions answered. Most importantly I have been taught to ride safely and to show courtesy to the growing community of kiters.
I can highly recommend purchasing a kite from an instructor owned shop and think your question was really important leading up to what will be a huge summer of new riders. Feel free to PM me and I can answer any other questions you may have re the merits of a purchase inclusive of lessons. Happy Kiting.
Greg Cream

Kitehard

2782 posts

Kitehard

WA, 2782 posts

17 Sep 2007 11:30am

Hey Cab2,

There is no comparing lessons from a dedicated school to "Unlimited free lessons" from a shop selling a package. The old addage "You get what you pay for" is the truest saying ever uttered.

Dedicated School scenario:
You have an accredited coach teaching one-on-one with you the whole time, with their undivided attention focused soley on you and what you are doing, using latest radios and all the best safety gear, latest kites and boards, and rescue boat back-up etc Of course you will improve very quickly and safely and be out of the learner stage and onto real riding in no time. You will also be using the schools kites and boards (not trashing your own).

If you smash the kite in a dedicated school and tear it in half due to a score from a sharp shell on the beach and a hard landing, you simply grab another kite and keep going, same if you lose a board, the school just wears it!

I'm not saying lesson package and the free unlimited thing is not good, just not the same!

Just make sure you are comparing apples to apples.

Whichever way you go, just get lessons, preferably from an accredited school or shop and get out there and have fun.

Good winds,

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

17 Sep 2007 12:06pm

quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard

There is no comparing lessons from a dedicated school to "Unlimited free lessons" from a shop selling a package. The old addage "You get what you pay for" is the truest saying ever uttered.

I think thats a bit harsh. Just because you pay a lot of money doesn't mean you get the best, take BMWs as an example.

You could even argue that you get BETTER lessons from the smaller guy. If i was brand new to the sport and wanted to go the whole hog i would be very tempted to get brand new gear and free lessons, as long as the free lessons are done by a qualified instructer then it "should" be hunky dory.

hugegonads

8 posts

hugegonads

WA, 8 posts

17 Sep 2007 12:21pm

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat
You could even argue that you get BETTER lessons from the smaller guy. If i was brand new to the sport and wanted to go the whole hog i would be very tempted to get brand new gear and free lessons, as long as the free lessons are done by a qualified instructer then it "should" be hunky dory.

You would like to think so wouldnt u.

thats not always the case though.

Yeah sure unlimited free lessons might sound like a good idea. But how many lessons can be provided if its the same guy who owns the shop, works in the shop and does all the lessons? Not many.

Now couple this with the fact u will be doing it with about 4 other people if u do get a lesson.

The instructor will prolly go to the car and have some bongs halfway through the lesson. After knocking back a few jimmys and coke.

u will be using your own gear.

sounds like a good setup. maybe everyone should do lessons like this.

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

17 Sep 2007 12:31pm

quote:
Originally posted by hugegonads

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat
You could even argue that you get BETTER lessons from the smaller guy. If i was brand new to the sport and wanted to go the whole hog i would be very tempted to get brand new gear and free lessons, as long as the free lessons are done by a qualified instructer then it "should" be hunky dory.

You would like to think so wouldnt u.

thats not always the case though.

Yeah sure unlimited free lessons might sound like a good idea. But how many lessons can be provided if its the same guy who owns the shop, works in the shop and does all the lessons? Not many.

Now couple this with the fact u will be doing it with about 4 other people if u do get a lesson.

The instructor will prolly go to the car and have some bongs halfway through the lesson. After knocking back a few jimmys and coke.

u will be using your own gear.

sounds like a good setup. maybe everyone should do lessons like this.

are you talking from experience or trolling?

I never said one was better than the other and each shop/one man ban/surfing school is likely to produce different lessons and should be approached on their own merits, word of mouth and such like.

Just don't see how you can "guarantee" that a school will give better lessons and most certainly disagree with "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR" statement.

gerard

QLD

175 posts

gerard

QLD, 175 posts

17 Sep 2007 3:22pm

I started Kiteing last August and bought my first kite and board through Choice Kitesurfing. I would recommend the path I decided to take to anyone, I received good advice and quality products. I did a lot of research and spoke to every other shop in Perth before I went and handed over my cash to Choicy. I think lessons are very important in the early stages of the learning process. Safety is a big apart of Kiteing. I would consider myself a intermediate rider (am confident in anything up to 35knts and can jump and do some tricks) I like all styles of kiteing and considering I have only been at for 13months I think that says a lot about the training I received and am still receiving now! My first lessons weren’t in a group it was one on one (maybe summer is different) they were planned well and time lines weren't a facture.

I have worked out there are two types of kiters.

1. The type that wants to get the gear so you can go to the pub on the weekend and brag about how you’re a Kitesurfer to ya mates, only kites in summer and only rocks up at the beach on Saturday arvo and winged that the wind isn't right.

2. The type that is addicted. Doesn’t really think there is a kite season (summer means not having to wear a wetty), has enough gear to ride in most conditions, gets up early to get the best session, has saved and budgeted all year so they can get the new 08 gear and is always down at the beach even when it is raining.

People are very quick to blame someone else for there own down fall these days. I think that you really only need a few lessons to get you going (teaching you how to be safe) and rest is up to the individual person as to how quick they learn.

Of course the shops that don't offer a service like free unlimited lessons are going to bag it, they can't compete!

Good post gc!

Cheers all
Grant

Tonewolf

382 posts

Tonewolf

382 posts

17 Sep 2007 1:28pm

What happens if you're offered a free lesson with the purchase of the kite, and then they tell you to basically "bugger off" after you've had a problem with the kite they sold ya? Is there any "LINK" to this?

Bite me!

bearbusa

QLD

295 posts

bearbusa

QLD, 295 posts

17 Sep 2007 3:35pm

Cab 2
Like grant and greg have said both options are good,personally i have had the same experience as greg with choicy and can not fault the way its done , Oh buy the way i have since changed brands of kites to what choicy sells but can still ask advice and he is one of the first to help if i need it.good luck and have fun kiting thats what its all about.
Bear

robbo

306 posts

robbo

WA, 306 posts

17 Sep 2007 2:06pm

i reckon it comes down to time management.
if you have the time to learn with (or around) others, wait a little bit to get choiceys time coz he is well liked and always being asked questions about something or other.

If you're an absolute Rtard, and cant get you're stuff together, then i reckon you will give up before choicey gives up on you 8).

If you have the money, and its not comparatively cheap (but well worth it) for the one on one, go down that path. you can book a time and know that no one else will get your instructors attention.

I've done both at one point or another. And have absolutely no complaints about either of the guys mentioned.

t o b y

530 posts

t o b y

WA, 530 posts

17 Sep 2007 4:01pm

quote:
Originally posted by gc

Hi Cab 2 I'm probably highly qualified to respond to your question.
Just under 2 years ago I met Graham (Choicey, Choice Kite Surfing).
Choicey's major concern in the shop was to determine where I wanted to go with my Kite Surfing Experience, Free style, Wake Style or Surf, he located my expectations prior to recomending any kite. Even before I bought a kite he was teaching me regards the subtleties of Kite size, wind range and kite style.I bought an 11 metre 06 Fuel with the assurance of free lessons. I have had numerous hours of instruction from Choicey on the beach, in the water and riding together. There has even been a day where he has suggested I leave a kite in the bag and yes it was blowing.
Currently I am in Exmouth with Choicey and a number of other Kite Surfers. You could say I am attending Kite Surf Wave Riding University and with or without Master Card I would call the experience Priceless. At what point do the lessons stop? I haven't received a bill for the lesson I had on Friday, 28 knots 3 metre swell 200 metre rides. I can't speak for every shop that offers free lessons however my experience with Choicey is that there is no downside for the learner. I pay no more for my kites than anyone who buys them elsewhere, and have never paid to have my lines tuned, minor repairs done or endless hours of questions answered. Most importantly I have been taught to ride safely and to show courtesy to the growing community of kiters.
I can highly recommend purchasing a kite from an instructor owned shop and think your question was really important leading up to what will be a huge summer of new riders. Feel free to PM me and I can answer any other questions you may have re the merits of a purchase inclusive of lessons. Happy Kiting.
Greg Cream

LOL.... lets be real here mate!

there is a difference between helping out someone out at the beach and a lesson! and free repairs :O wow no kite shop does that. when i brought some kites from dan at windsurfing perth he repaired my kites numerous number of times and bladder repairs ect ect.. not to mention helping me with my kitting alot. any kite shop who sells there gear to some one is going to help them out at the beach with what ever they can, and you ask the better kitters at your local something they are going to help you out. when you kite and you have friends that kite or randoms and you help them out with there ridding your not giving them a lesson your helping them out!

if someone asks me a question at the beach i dont ask him how much its worth to him.

not wanting to anoy any one but darren.... you are 100% correct

there is no comparing the 2 ive seen the so called free lessons and ive seen dedicted. they are nothing alike! and the gear thing is true you smash school gear... keep riding! you smash your gear on your free lesson do you get more gear or do you get told to jog on?

keep it real people there is a difference between advice and lessons.
if one of the free lesson guys was out kitting... you wanted to learn to boost.. is he going to come in and land his kite sit on the beach and get it done? or a few quik tips? you will get a quick few tips... wat would be the response from just the normal shop that sold you the gear? im guessing the same.

this is not a hac at you gc... just looking at it from a different angle... mabey put it into perspective for a few people

because if what you are saying is true i ow a lot of money to a lot of people for lessons! and they didnt even sell me the gear!

draw the line somewhere!

dont kid your self.

Bigwavedave

QLD

2057 posts

Bigwavedave

QLD, 2057 posts

17 Sep 2007 6:54pm

I'm a qualified instructor and I sell gear. If someone buys a complete kit they get lessons free. They get the same lessons as everyone else, they use my gear until they want to use theirs, and I don't stop teaching them until they are independent.

There isn't any compromises and there never should be. If you cut corners or talk bullsh1t, it'll catch up to you.

It's all about getting people out there safely having fun on the right gear. If they choose other gear, that's their choice, i still give the same lessons but at an hourly rate.

Shop around and ask the right questions. Kitehard, Choicy and others have taught thousands of people and heaps of their students recommend them. That should be all the info you need.

brooksy

498 posts

brooksy

WA, 498 posts

17 Sep 2007 6:36pm

Go with someone you like, get on with. That's way more important. In the long run all shops are very competitive, a $100 difference is worth it if you get on well with the instructor or feel comfortable with the shop - it'll be more efficient in the long run.

There's heaps of great shops in Perth and schools, check them all out.

cwamit

1194 posts

cwamit

WA, 1194 posts

17 Sep 2007 8:14pm

quote:
Originally posted by t o b y

there is a difference between helping out someone out at the beach and a lesson! and free repairs :O wow no kite shop does that. when i brought some kites from dan at windsurfing perth he repaired my kites numerous number of times and bladder repairs ect ect.. not to mention helping me with my kitting alot. any kite shop who sells there gear to some one is going to help them out at the beach with what ever they can, and you ask the better kitters at your local something they are going to help you out. when you kite and you have friends that kite or randoms and you help them out with there ridding your not giving them a lesson your helping them out!

if someone asks me a question at the beach i dont ask him how much its worth to him.

not wanting to anoy any one but darren.... you are 100% correct

there is no comparing the 2 ive seen the so called free lessons and ive seen dedicted. they are nothing alike! and the gear thing is true you smash school gear... keep riding! you smash your gear on your free lesson do you get more gear or do you get told to jog on?

keep it real people there is a difference between advice and lessons.
if one of the free lesson guys was out kitting... you wanted to learn to boost.. is he going to come in and land his kite sit on the beach and get it done? or a few quik tips? you will get a quick few tips... wat would be the response from just the normal shop that sold you the gear? im guessing the same.

this is not a hac at you gc... just looking at it from a different angle... mabey put it into perspective for a few people

because if what you are saying is true i ow a lot of money to a lot of people for lessons! and they didnt even sell me the gear!

draw the line somewhere!

dont kid your self.

That sums it up from what I have seen when in Perth regarding kite schools. One on one with a dedicated kite school and the two shop based kite school I have seen operate came across a bit blasé towards their students lessons.

Go dedicated school for lessons if you can afford them. Think if they didn’t go the extra mile with quality of teaching they wouldn’t be able to have the advantage that shop kite schools tend to have by selling kit then offering lessons as a clincher.

Also learners/newbies dont have a trade in kite that may have to be held in stock for months if not over a season so the shop saves a little that way too.

Cab2

3 posts

Cab2

3 posts

17 Sep 2007 8:27pm

WoW... was not expecting that!

there would seem alot of interest in less than 24hrs

thank you all for your time and input. Its has been extremely helpful for me, I have read all and now have a great understanding of what I should do... Im off to make enquiries and find whats right for me.

Thanks again
Great site

gc

29 posts

WA, 29 posts

17 Sep 2007 11:14pm

Hi again Cab 2 it seems you’ve sparked some interest with your question. Toby is absolutely entitled to express his cynicism however I feel it is important to correct some of his remarks. I am able to comment from a position of having experienced the benefit of being a customer of an instructor owned business, whilst those who have expressed an adverse view have not. For the record I received numerous one on one lessons with Choicey, in fact as many as were required to render me a safe Kite Surfer. I also would point to the fact that in Choicey's case we are dealing with a recognised and accredited instructor. Choicey's business is located 15 minutes from a training beach and he conducts lessons 6 days a week if conditions are suitable 365 days a year. For what it’s worth folks, Choicey closes his shop, to go to the beach. When the shop is open it is 100% open and when Choicey’s at the beach he is 100% involved with his students. Long after Choicey’s pupils are independent and safe riders he still takes an interest in their development with coaching tips and advice, which is not to be compared with the friendly advice we all offer each other. Now I'm guessing every contributor to this thread already knows Choicey and his commitment to his pupils, so it is important to elevate the response to include all the other Instructor owned shops and the service they offer. I'm guessing, that in the main part, they too offer a terrific service. They have absolutely nothing to gain by under training their customers. If you were to consider the investment instructors have in their shops, the last thing they are looking for is a dissatisfied customer base. In my case I am satisfied that I received comprehensive training. Now I would further venture that I am offering you the benefit of sharing my experience which is different to an opinion, which lacks any underlying experience. It is also important to note that I have not offered an opinion on the various other Kite Training providers. Why, because I am unable to comment from a position of experience. I do have an opinion on training though; anyone who hasn’t been trained by an experienced IKO instructor is a risk to the rest of us, even if only in the learner phase. I recognise the pioneers of the sport were self taught and for some it proved extremely dangerous however with the sport well and truly developed nobody has an excuse to bypass lessons particularly when they are offered free, by some of the best Kiters in the country. All the best in Kiting

Blaster

501 posts

Blaster

WA, 501 posts

18 Sep 2007 12:33am

quote:
Originally posted by gc

For the record I received numerous one on one lessons with Choicey, in fact as many as were required to render me a safe Kite Surfer. I also would point to the fact that in Choicey's case we are dealing with a recognised and accredited instructor. Choicey's business is located 15 minutes from a training beach and he conducts lessons 6 days a week if conditions are suitable 365 days a year. For what it’s worth folks, Choicey closes his shop, to go to the beach. When the shop is open it is 100% open and when Choicey’s at the beach he is 100% involved with his students. Long after Choicey’s pupils are independent and safe riders he still takes an interest in their development with coaching tips and advice, which is not to be compared with the friendly advice we all offer each other. Now I'm guessing every contributor to this thread already knows Choicey and his commitment to his pupils, so it is important to elevate the response to include all the other Instructor owned shops and the service they offer. I'm guessing, that in the main part, they too offer a terrific service. They have absolutely nothing to gain by under training their customers. If you were to consider the investment instructors have in their shops, the last thing they are looking for is a dissatisfied customer base. In my case I am satisfied that I received comprehensive training.

Honestly, after all that I'm sure Cab's on the next flight if he dosn't already live in WA that is, to come see choicey.

Cab I've met Choicey, he's a very nice guy with lots of knowledge. Jason aka WOK is exactly the same. They both distribute kites and can and do offer what your asking about. Darren Marshall aka kitehard, I've never met but he has gone out of his way several times to PM me at no benefit to himself to answer questions I've asked in a post. I'm not sure if he's affilated with airbourne and able to or does offer these package deals. Ian Young is another instructor that seems great and has heaps of experience.

My point is, WA has 4 prolific instructors covering say the metro area north to south the river. They all seem like very nice people and I believe they will be as loyal to you as you will be to them.

Just like GC kites with Choicey I occasionally go kiting with Jason. I regretfully didn't do lessons with Jason and won't go onto slander the business that I did. But If I ask questions during or after a session he dosn't stick his hand out expecting anything, it's totally oposite he tells me where I'm going wrong and what to do to fix it. The other thing you need is someone that is going to put you on the right gear and not what he's got to clear out before the stock comes in.

IMO you need to sort out if you want to spend around 3K and get unlimited lessons, then need a new kite because you have trashed that new one already. Or buy last years model stuff, perhaps a kit for $1200-$1500 depending obviously. Get 3 lessons maybe some instructional DVD's $500 then kite all summer on that kite which you won't mind getting repairing when it needs it, because it will need it. Then next season you would of had plenty of time to research the kite demo as many as possibile and go from there with the right knowledge.

Well that killed 20mins of work what should I do for the next 7 hours. Seriously, good luck which ever way you go mate your gonna love it. Oh and if you go secondhand get at least 06 stuff as the safety is much better for the learning stage. Plus IMO a bow or sle kite is best for learning

colinwill78

VIC

1395 posts

colinwill78

VIC, 1395 posts

18 Sep 2007 6:14pm

i don't think it's been mentioned but there are shops/instructors that will charge you for lessons (their gear etc.) then, if you buy a kite from them, the lesson price (or a percentage of) will come off the price of the kite.
I guess if you have $3000 worth of lessons you would get a kite thrown in, but if it took that long..... you probably should stick to flying paper planes.

posko

179 posts

posko

WA, 179 posts

18 Sep 2007 5:28pm

taught my self to kite on our lake on our farm with a wipika freeair and old wakeboard.... learning curve was , well a flat line... went to SOS and got a heap of good advice free, went back home and curve was starting to rise... got my first ever hands on lesson from Mauricio Abrou (selling?) and from that point the curve went way up... realizing quickly that a teacher has a way better chance of getting booming i started to explore the options and testing more modern kites...

tested a diesel at a CHOICE test day purchased one and got free lessons from then on... i now cruise the world searching for places to kite and am SO thankful for all the times Choicy called me to ask to do you want to come here or there.. (i'm self employed) often just the 2 of us going on a road trip to find a place he'd seen on google earth and wanted to check out... then having some of the most radical kite sessions i could ever ask for... each time i'd catch up with him he'd talk about a trip he'd done with someone else... he's in it for the stoke!

I still goto SOS for bits and bobs when in Perth and they're all ways the most accommodating people, they do lessons at the same beach as Choice and i have seen their students go from 0 to hero in no time...

so Guess what i'm saying is get around to as many shops as you can and see who you connect with best... free or not free you gotta have fun!
If your getting it free and you feel ripped off go pay for some lessons and if you feel your getting more stick with it...

The airush flying objects crew have a great client satisfaction record too...

Darren M is a super instructor from all accounts, so the story goes, a nice guy too... has all the latest teaching tools and techniques...

really mate go chat to them all test or watch their teaching style and find out which is best for you...

i have purchased kites from SOS, Airborne, Choice and the Quokka!!
They all have your wellbeing in their best business interests.. except Quokka which breeds nooby kite terrorists out to self-harm and endanger others...

enjoy the stoke hope to see you at the beaches of Perth this summer!

andyc

202 posts

andyc

WA, 202 posts

18 Sep 2007 5:56pm

Unlimited free lessons = unlimited free supervision... from a distance. Get a real lesson, it's safer, you learn more, and like Darren said, you get what you pay for. That's my two cents...

kitebored

NSW

593 posts

kitebored

NSW, 593 posts

19 Sep 2007 1:31pm

I smell a troll..

xtortya

322 posts

xtortya

WA, 322 posts

20 Sep 2007 3:50pm

i farted.....my bad.

wdric

NSW

1625 posts

wdric

NSW, 1625 posts

14 Oct 2007 8:31am

quote:
Originally posted by Tonewolf

What happens if you're offered a free lesson with the purchase of the kite, and then they tell you to basically "bugger off" after you've had a problem with the kite they sold ya? Is there any "LINK" to this?

Bite me!

If this happened one can only assume the learner must be some sort of NOB, as I am sure there would have been many hundreds of people go before him wiithout any problems.

GreenPat

QLD

4107 posts

GreenPat

QLD, 4107 posts

14 Oct 2007 11:35am

I think the question you really need to ask yourself is, should you buy a camel to carry your kiting gear on?

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

14 Oct 2007 2:04pm

quote:
Originally posted by kitebored
I smell a troll..

Yeah,
I picked-up the scent too.
I suspect this thread began as a guru-troll.
lol.

The kite-dragging schools and other kitestores can bitch all they like about a certain shop giving unlimited lessons.....
but what is important is that the customer is the winner.

OK, these lessons might not be full blown structured kite lessons....
but so what, it's valuable mentoring and for an unlimited time (apparently).
I hate that hackneyed phrase; "You only get what you pay for".
You can't measure kite-learning in hours....
it takes months and sometimes seasons to get compfy on a kite.

The casual unlimited lesson deal is just another version of mentoring.
It's good.

muzza333

7 posts

muzza333

7 posts

15 Oct 2007 5:39pm

I've never met one solitary 'bad' instructor, but the first thing you should ask any school or shop is do they have insurance for the lessons, whether they be free or not, because all you need is some punter to stand under your kite, probably their fault not yours and it could be the most expensive lesson you could ever imagine.

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