. Oh and to answer the first q could you imagine inverting your kite in the middle of a heat your screwed.

Now there's a good answer ! ive Seen it happen

My two bobs worth,
"C" kites are easier to re-launch. Bows/Hybrids tend to lay around on the water a lot longer. So most pro's like them because they can try a hundred tricks a session. Rather than 20 tricks a session due to the time the kite is on the water (or 50 or 1 whatever the ratio may be). Unhooked progression needs a fifth line at the moment, in my opinion.

Unhooked riding waves feels WAY better to ME than being hooked in. With a Hybrid on the fly it's a tune job that I simply can't be bothered with when compared to what I already know.

Again, just my opinion and others have no problem with what I have a problem with.

Depower is safer on a bow.
I will be getting a bridle kite for my wife as de-power is the single most frightening thing for her. When she gets used to the power and possibly wants to progress to chucking a handle pass, she will need to look for something with a re-launch system that is fast and without power surges that DOESN'T invert as that will just freak her out and send her scampering back to windsurfing as the safer option coz' she knows it.

Each has their place and each will change to something somewhere for everyone's style and type of riding.

I have seen riders rip the place to peices on both styles, so...go figure, I could be just too opinionated. I do notice one thing though and it's blatantly obvious.

Those up here that have gone to hybrids/bows, don't drop their kites anymore and generally don't try unhooked or try any new tricks. They spend most of their time standing on the beach waiting for waves, which as we all know can be a looong wait sometimes. I find that a bit strange and I'd like others opinions on their local spot.

I guess they are maybe choosing to focus on a specific discipline maybe?. I know that practicing freestyle stuff on flat days just gives me so much more balance and understanding of where the kite is and what it's doing. This is so important for when I want to ride waves. So when it's good I get a chance to really push myself to my limits.

Maybe some just are happy with where they are at. I dunno.

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Originally posted by hirschausen

My two bobs worth,
"C" kites are easier to re-launch. Bows/Hybrids tend to lay around on the water a lot longer. So most pro's like them because they can try a hundred tricks a session. Rather than 20 tricks a session due to the time the kite is on the water (or 50 or 1 whatever the ratio may be). Unhooked progression needs a fifth line at the moment, in my opinion.

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How many unhooked tricks on a 5th line C kite can you miss the bar on, or let go of the bar without having to relaunch?

I can miss 50 unhooked tricks in a row and 90% of the time my bow kite will still be in the air with hardly any pull and I just hook back in. If it does crash it just sits on its wingtip and I can just hook back in and relaunch in a few seconds.

aah you're all full of it.. ride a real kite .. get a PLK!! harharhar

Just think through the step you need to go through to relaunch a C compared to relaunching an SB2.

C:
1. pull the 5th line
2. get the kite to lay on the water like an "U"
3. pull one of the outside lines
4. get the kite to move to the side of the wind window
5. Yawn... finally launch

SB2:
1. pull the outside line
2. kite spins to a wingtip
3. kite is up in the air

Your observation tells me that you may have flown some hybrids and potentially some of bows that were not know to relaunch easy. But you clearly haven't flown a SB1, SB2, CB2...

Bugger, just realized you are over East. If you can't come on over then get a WA rider to take up your cause, Most of them would be happy to come on up to Gero for a little RnR. (re-launch and rebuke)

Moritz is 100% correct, a true bow will launch at OMO least 3 times faster than any C. thats if you havent screwed up, let the steering lines go slack and inverted the thing.

i flew the 2007 fuel the other day and it felt realy nice, it was good to have a direct comparison between it any my turbo diesel.

how you intend to get the C on its back, get it to catch wind in one tip, let it ride to the edge of the window so you dont get yanked in a hot launch and be in the air faster than a bow that only needs to pivot on the spot and hot launch with the bar out is beyond me.

Bloody hell, you must have some really crappy bow riders in geraldton.

*Exception being Sonya and partner*

From my opinion stemming from observations - seen so many more c kites drowned in waves than I have bows... but then I am one of only two bow riders in my area , guess that makes me pretty fugen good aye .

what’s best about c kites is how when someone stuffs a jump or trick and you see the person dragged far away from the board - they end up downwind, its awesome as way more space for me to try and be a pro - kook up, loose power in the kite and on the slim chance (no pun intended) of the kite crashing re-launch in seconds and body drag the few meters back to my board - then ride off into the sunset doing f16’s, mobes, (insert other fancy names here).. oh hang on, now I am dribbling sheet…

Also I will move onto more high performance kites when i am ready.

Lots of good stuff flowing now,
Finally people are starting to SHARE their experiences and provide a bit of insight into what happens.

To those that find the 5th line re-launch slow, I think I'll have to get a bit of video footage for you.
When I crash however it is, wether it be completely upside down out of control however, I throw the bar.

Kite settles nicely on it's back, I casually swim to my board, put it back on my feet, tug on a back line and ping, no pull no drag, kite returns to the sky in seconds. I'll just have to show you I think. I don't understand how it could be seen as "hot" re-launches coz they simply aren't.

Interesting to note that you guys seem to acknowlege the phenomenon of inverting or "rolling away" as I have seen many, many, many a bow/hybrid kite do in the process of trying to re-launch. (As do "C" kites when you land going towards your kite at speed, OR if the 5th line isn't tuned properly)

To answer the comment about BOW/Hybrid riders being a bit on the inexperienced side in Geraldton. I will leave that one alone as I don't have a wide view of riding on these kites to really judge my mates in comparison. I know how long they have been riding and what they do with their time. But back to the issue, the visitors seem to be a bit..."troubled" would be the best way of putting it with their kites and re-launching.

Pro riders blowing through included.

Now I'm learning this thing called kiting and I don't usually come out with an open challenge like I have as it usually bites me in the bum somehow by someone getting their ego out of joint. But one thing does always come from it.

I learn something I didn't know before.

In this instance I have no reason to believe that any BOW/Hybrid can re-launch from a crash where you have to let go of the bar faster than I can with my kite. It's that simple, I just haven't seen it. If I had, I wouldn't be making what seems to be; outlandish claims/challenges.

Bring on the challenge, someone prove me wrong, it would teach me something I didn't know. I see Moritz has some conditions to judge this escapade by, I better go look there and follow up.

Hope someone's getting something from all this as their are a few good bits of advice in amongst it for those that are interested.

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Originally posted by sci

I suspect marty72 rides poo stance and will continue to struggle with his new c kite as long as thinks he is more hardcore.

Cheers

Sci

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i think you will find that marty and his friend (whose first name is that of a cartoon cat) haven't yet picked themselves up off the floor yet from uncontrollable laughter!

With the yank factor, It simply doesn't yank when you re-launch. the only time it will yank is if you do a full-on hot launch with the kite hovering above the water with it's two tips touching down on the surface just teasing you to let the fifth line out and hook in. Then for sure it's "seeya"!. But, with the kite laying upside down with the tips breaking inwards giving you a choice of what back line to pull to get the kite to curl around and want to go skyward, there is no need for a hard yank. You just feather it back into the sky. As soon as it leaves the water it's going to the window and with very little pull. Well that's my kites anyway. The kite is already closer to the edge of the window as soon as you pull on a back line.

I'll video it and you will see what I mean.

In Kazakhstan only women and donkey ride bow kite and my neighbour Nushutan Tuluyakban but he can not afford, great success!!!!

congo sucks

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Originally posted by ming_arsenal

Moritz is right. Hirschausen, you must accept it. Relaunching competition is useless. Just creating "Relaunch survey C vs BOW" and see heaps will go with BOW. Easy easy

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Too right !!