yea , im with fat mike.. this situation requires no sailing rules, no kite rules, no rules at all, this is man on man , eyeballs to eyeballs , kiter vs kiter,surfer on surfer, the good ole pecking order....commensence stuff, sum it up,
quickly check each others style (is he a kook) ...you keep going..., is "that bloke" gunna have a better line (section) than me?... you let him go..., rules here mean nothing , never will..
you should be able to react and sum up the situation very quickly,, if you are both of the same or similar skill level then you will both be stoked , and will understand if a colision occurs.. after all its bound to happen sooner or later, just smile and hoot!!! for country people, if your a local and its a touro then a good spray and maybe a bit of biffo is ok... expect the unexpected... always.... in extreme situations somtimes you have to to get the point through.. (dosent apply for metro kiters, your all doomed...)

both riders have the same option, they could both bear away down the line and wave ride happily or stay on their collision coarse both waiting for the perfect section and playing a bit of harmless chicken.. or maybe one of them is a natural footer and setting for a big carve or barrel and is intent on heading upwind..
the point is how to deal with the aftermath. its then up to the individuals..
famous surf breaks get protection from heavy locals,,, always respect these locals even if your in the right..
maybe, just maybe you will be allowed back!!!

ALL things being equal-IMO upwind kiter has right of way.

Right of way should be in this order:
1. The guy on a surfboard (if the other is riding a tt) has a right of way
2. Whoever gets the wave first has a right of way
3. The upwind guy has a right of way

agree upwind guy should have right of way on the wave, but in this situation he shouldnt be doing a bearaway turn directly in front of someone who is only 20m downwind, his cutting straight into the downwind dudes path. his asking for a collision. he should yell for the dude to @#$% off out of his way then tear downwind.

poor relative said...

Upwind rider has ROW every time.
Doesn't matter whether you're riding a pontoon.

I have a feeling that was the answer that Slave was looking for PR, if so it's nice to see you two agree on something

^^^ nice one hit wonder look, he's riding straight into a close out...

one rule that works around here is the rider with the most expensive kite gives way to the cheap ass throw away kite

Very good question, I often go right and usually make the call based on the wave option each kiter has - usually it's me who sticks on there be because the goofies out run the wave ( mad bad but I put it down to not wanting to loose out on a possibly good wave.

Now for the riders who go right ( for WA), as the direction states it's the right way, you can get a better cover up, if the wave is breaking nicely there is no pull from the kite and you are actually surfing the wave. For a natural guy going left, it's virtually straight down wind with a bit of a floater and cut back, I suppose the goofy footer over east feel the same.I tend to loose control going left.

The guy going right is deeper in the pocket where you want to be.

Enjoy Kitestock lucky bastards while I am fighting thousands of fly's in Karratha!

Cheers
rich

stamp said...

full respect to the man, but while nobby rash may be at the top of the windsurfing pecking order i don't think he is in the same league with a kite.

have you seen him ride in the flesh?

poor relative said...

marty72 said...

Right of way should be in this order:
1. The guy on a surfboard (if the other is riding a tt) has a right of way

Upwind rider has ROW every time.
Doesn't matter whether you're riding a pontoon.

Thats BS! What your saying is that if I get on a wave out the back and then as I am coming in someone turns on to the wave up wind I got to give him way? No farken chance!

waveslave said...

poor relative said...

Upwind rider has ROW every time.
Doesn't matter whether you're riding a pontoon.

Nah,
The top-of-the-pecking-order smashes the cake. ^^^
The kook gets the crumbs.

Go the cake smasher

marty72 said...

Thats BS! What your saying is that if I get on a wave out the back and then as I am coming in someone turns on to the wave up wind I got to give him way? No farken chance!

No what i am saying is that two people taking off on the same wave at the same time the upwind rider/guy bearing away has ROW.
In that scenario you would have ROW having done the hard yards and joined the back of the que.

Circle work should be the way it goes. In other words the pack goes round in circles, the guy on the outside picks up a wave and follows that wave til its logical conclusion then jibes at the end and returns to the outside/back of the que where he starts again.

If more kiters followed this simple rule i am sure the polers would be less angst ridden when kites are in the waves.

Jibing on a wave directly in front of someone is poor form and deserves wrath.

poor relative said...
Circle work should be the way it goes. In other words the pack goes round in circles, the guy on the outside picks up a wave and follows that wave til its logical conclusion then jibes at the end and returns to the outside/back of the que where he starts again.

If more kiters followed this simple rule i am sure the polers would be less angst ridden when kites are in the waves.

Jibing on a wave directly in front of someone is poor form and deserves wrath.

P.R. for P.M!

That's exactly the problem I had after the Ledge to Lancelin. This is a massive windsurfing-only event, afterwards about a dozen of us went out for a bit of wave action right in front of the finishing point.

And there was one tool on a kite who kept gybing in front of me after I'd ridden the swell in from way out the back, getting just upwind of me, then getting aggro when I didn't immediately give him 'his' wave. It wasn't worth the effort of having a collision, or fisticuffs in the carpark, but it did put a dampener on what should have been a wonderful day

CarlBevo said...

Why are people trying to apply sail boat and shipping rules to kiting in the waves we are not boats we are trying to ride waves Left or right,

Common sense says first on the wave going left or right has right of way everyone else should do whatever they have to do to get out of the way of the rider so as not to stuff ones wave up

Starboard or port tack whatever right of way has no place in the surf,

Egg zaklee