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waveslave
waveslave
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3 Feb 2010 9:18am
Isn't it good that wavekiting will always remain a soulful, niche discipline within the sport of kiteboarding ?
There will never be a competitive wavekiting world tour.
It just won't happen.
That's because wavekiters are so diverse, we just aren't on the same page.
And that makes it unjudge-able.
Cool.
brucex
brucex
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3 Feb 2010 3:12pm
Dont speak too soon.... saw a post on Kiteforum that debated the topic for pages and pages and the IKA is trying to trying to come up with a guideline for judging so that they can judge straps and unstrapped -


I dont know if you seen any footage from the wave masters but the the wave riding style is pretty unappealing to watch from a surf point of view -
waxman
waxman
SA
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3 Feb 2010 5:14pm
One of the bigest and best kiteboarding comps in SA is a wave comp they have every year in Robe and it is definatly judged. Kitesurfing can be judged as there are moves and tecnique/style that will allways make someone stand out better than anyone else. More and more people are grabing a surfboard and smashing it. Get used to it.

Groms will be heading your way and killing you in comps, as they do so well in other areas of the sport but thats life you arent cool forever. Its human nature to be competative if your not you dont have to compete but dont try to hold back the sport and the people that want to push it to the limits.
theDoctor
theDoctor
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3 Feb 2010 6:12pm
competition does nothing to push limits

it just generates intolerance and inflates egos

Andrash
Andrash
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3 Feb 2010 3:24pm
brucex said...



I dont know if you seen any footage from the wave masters but the the wave riding style is pretty unappealing to watch from a surf point of view -



There is a lot of beauty in the harmonious moves of the rider and the kite at wave riding, that a surfer may not appreciate. But, of course, I am biased....yet I've also met bystanders who found kitesurfing on the waves very spectacular, especially if there are some areals mixed in the style.

In a competition, technical difficulty can be easier to measure, then style...yet style is what makes it enjoyable to watch....
theDoctor
theDoctor
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3 Feb 2010 11:41pm
what you just said does not make any sense
waveslave
waveslave
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3 Feb 2010 9:01pm
waveslave said...

That's because wavekiters are so diverse, we just aren't on the same page.



Strapped and hooked
Unstrapped and hooked
Unstrapped and unhooked
One-strapped and whatever

Judge that. ^^^
lol.

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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3 Feb 2010 11:23pm
Judge that??

easy

watch the wave

watch the kiter

cream rises to the top.

power and style will happen strapped, unstrapped, halfstrapped, hooked, unhooked.

manicskier
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4 Feb 2010 12:26am
waveslave said...

waveslave said...

That's because wavekiters are so diverse, we just aren't on the same page.



Strapped and hooked
Unstrapped and hooked
Unstrapped and unhooked
One-strapped and whatever

Judge that. ^^^
lol.


2 penis' one head

Judge that

lol



greenleader
greenleader
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3 Feb 2010 11:41pm
i agree.

it's un judge-able fairly.

let it be free.
Mister Dugong
Mister Dugong
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368 posts
3 Feb 2010 10:56pm
doing anything with some one thats better than you helps to push your own limits. Full stop.

They dont need to be a pro or in competitions. Just get out there have a crack and give someone some space to make an impact on you to charge even harder. No doubt they will up the ante back.

Competitions blow,
maybe coz the media ..., so people can watch for $$$
...

or something like that,

Who cares who is the best, if your charging hard everyone will charge with you and only the true of heart will take up space.
Go forth and enjoy I reckon,
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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3 Feb 2010 11:19pm
It's all about the group circle jerk, everything else is just boring.
waxman
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4 Feb 2010 12:03pm
wotzy77 said...

doing anything with some one thats better than you helps to push your own limits. Full stop.

They dont need to be a pro or in competitions. Just get out there have a crack and give someone some space to make an impact on you to charge even harder. No doubt they will up the ante back.

Competitions blow,
maybe coz the media .. so people can watch for $$$
or something like that,

Who cares who is the best, if your charging hard everyone will charge with you and only the true of heart will take up space.
Go forth and enjoy I reckon,



So riding with someone that is better than you will drive you to ride better (this is the basis of compertition.) but riding with a heap of people that are better than you in a compertition sucks because it will make you look realy bad and the fact that you cant just enjoy the events for what it is, the opertunity to promote kiteboarding and bring a group of kiters together for good times share new moves and push the limits of the sport for the driven competative people.


Judging style,tricks and technicality is easy it can be broken down in to groups and each component indavidualy scored. its not just about straps and weather you are unhooked or not you would be looking for agresive powered turns, barrels airs loops and consistency just to name a couple.

Get involved you may enjoy it.

If you think riding a surfboard is hard to judge you should try a TT. How hard the trick was how many powered passes, hight, length, kite high/low loops hooked in unhooked, both, style, foot straps or bindings, wakestyle or freestyle, sliders kickers, pop, landing style healside toeside wraped blind riding sui or safety board offs powered, boosts, risk. times that by the number of tricks and combos there are and tell me that is easy to judge
Andrash
Andrash
WA
637 posts
WA, 637 posts
4 Feb 2010 9:47am
Competition gives us the chance to watch some of the best riders, and possibly learn new stuff and refine our own technique, and eventually have more fun as recreational kiters. I remember my tennis days: everyone's game lifted after watching a grand slam.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
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4 Feb 2010 10:49am
waveslave said...

Isn't it good that wavekiting will always remain a soulful, niche discipline within the sport of kiteboarding ?


A niche discipline? LOL, where you at? Have a look at the beaches around Perth, the entire coastline is crammed full of kiters on surfboards vying for cool points. It hasn't been a niche discipline since the magazines, manufacturers, wave clinics and wave camps have been pumping the whole surf scene for dollars.

Soul? also LOL, Stick a camera on the beach and watch the carnage as everyone drops in on each other and kills themselves in 2 foot crumbly slop for a shot which may hit a magazine page or get posted on the web. You don't even need to put a camera on the beach, heaps of dudes are mounting cameras on their boards so they can be the next hero on the internerd. Guess it's why they call it the GoPro Hero, it's all about the ego, not the soul.

The waves are full of learners and gumbies all driven by the hype generated by the likes of Ben and KBM.

There are still soul kiters in the waves, but you won't find them on the city beaches. As Dave said, have a comp, the winner will be the fluid one and will stand out amongst the rest, judging criteria in wave comps is irrelevant as it comes down to style, fluidity and position on the wave. That sh1t stands out regardless of how or what you ride.

'slave, you really need to get out more.

KH
NR
NR
WA
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NR NR
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4 Feb 2010 11:57am
Judging should be easy as some have said. It should be based on the same criteria, power, wave selection, criticalness, style etc...

Whether the guy is hooked in or not should not matter. Thats will just be reflected in the style and whether being unhooked has made a difference to position on the wave. The judges should be looking beyond equipment and tools, and just be judging what they see the dude doing on the wave.

Probably not having a competitive wavekite world tour just comes down to the same old problem of cash. Who wants to stump any up, and what are they going to get from it. If Billabong suddenly put down $400K, per event, I am sure it will pretty quickly become judgable and pro like.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
4 Feb 2010 3:20pm

considering what the like of billabong and co have done to surfing in the last twenty years... do we really want kitesurfing to go the same way...?

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