What can you do if lofted ?

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daggy
daggy
WA
528 posts
WA, 528 posts
29 Mar 2006 11:37pm
In light of the serious accident recently, is there any accepted technique to controlling being lofted. I've never seen any one get unintentionally boosted more than a metre , so how big can this take you? , and is there anything you can do to control it ??? If you're metres in the air can you steer the kite, or dive it down into the water ?
NSW, 4382 posts
30 Mar 2006 9:21am
quote:
Originally posted by daggy

In light of the serious accident recently, is there any accepted technique to controlling being lofted. I've never seen any one get unintentionally boosted more than a metre , so how big can this take you? , and is there anything you can do to control it ??? If you're metres in the air can you steer the kite, or dive it down into the water ?



The main thing you can do daggy is to avoid being lofted in the firstplace.
If you are lofted though, in my experience there is little you can do. There is a video around of a guy in Hawaii lofted a couple of HUNDRED feet vertically!!
He chose to hang on and try to continue to control the kite, he was extremely lucky to survive uninjured.
Most loftings over land, including my own end in serious injury. I chose to hang on only because literally in an instant I was 30 feet in the air, this was on a 5.5M foil on handles - not hooked in or harnessed in.

Remember, every time the wind speed doubles, the power or lift of your kite increases by a factor of 4!!!

Ways to avoid lofting.
Don't fly kitesurfing kites on land.
Don't beach jump.
Avoid winds that are gusty. Gusty means winds varying in strength rapidly, surging more than 7/8 knots.
Avoid standing on the beach with your kite in what I call the "death zone", which is directly overhead.
When you finish a session land the kite and secure it asap.
Avoid going out in direct onshore conditions if the wind is gusty or if there is any forecast for fronts or squalls.
Avoid coming in close to shore and performing tricks for the peanut gallery.
Use a modern bow style kite, which depowers 95% when you let go of the bar.
Always assess your lauch area for suitability, for the prevailing wind conditions, some spots are very prone to lofting incidents, especially places with sand dunes or tress that will create "vertical ridge lift".

Always launch with kite towards the water, keep the kite low, below 11 oclock, and get in the water asap, have your board ready to grab as you move into the water.

Make sure you are a member of AKSA and that you also have good private health cover!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
30 Mar 2006 6:29am
That is what your quick release is for.
You have to have the presence of mind to not think about if you are rising to fast, just pull/push the release and try to absorb the landing. Have had to twice when hit by winter gusts that went from 20 to 40+ knots. My own fault as I knew a storm was coming but first time I was out on water trying to get back to land. the second I was on shore walking kite back upwind after doing some waveriding and was not looking out to sea to see that the storm was about to hit.

Always look to horizon to see what is on the way!
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
30 Mar 2006 10:23am
simple - if you get lofted press rewind on your time remote and land your kite before the gust hits!
Green Dog
Green Dog
SA
30 posts
SA, 30 posts
30 Mar 2006 10:48am
Go to the Naish website and there is clip of a guy getting lofted big time. I think it in the video section. Its also on the Naish DVD 13 Daze
windangoesoff
windangoesoff
NSW
280 posts
NSW, 280 posts
30 Mar 2006 1:18pm
www.wimp.com/flysurfing
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
30 Mar 2006 2:11pm

You're joking Steve!- 'A couple of feet vertically' that is fully sick mate! And you say he chose to hold on while being up a couple of vertical feet.

Truly incredible, I only pray I never, ever get lofted so violently.

[}:)]
cliffor123
cliffor123
455 posts
455 posts
30 Mar 2006 3:21pm
dont knkow why no-one has said this, maybe i missed it but if you keep the kite low (near ground at edge of window) you will be better off, i got lofted once, was getting gusty so i decided to come in, i put the kite straight over my head while i was playing with my board, i got lifted pretty high almost instantly, there was nothing i could have done about it except not put the kite above me.
also i noticed in that naish video he did seem to have a little control over the kite but the more he turned it away from the wind the faster he dropped.
greg
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
30 Mar 2006 4:04pm
Keep your kite at 45 degrees above the horizon out over the water, that way if hit by a massive gust you will br lifted/dragged into the water and not into the dunes/trees/hard stuff.

Be especially careful in winter and in strong gusty winds. I see people walking their kites up the beach doing the walk of shame, with their kites up over the dunes everyday as well as people launching kites towards the dunes instead of towards the water. This practice can lead to accidents. It's your life, do with it as you will, just not on my local beaches.

Good winds,

robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
30 Mar 2006 8:20pm
can someone tell me why this wont work:

when i do a jump that i havent edged enough, and i start getting higher and closer to the shore, i usually put the kite toward the water in the opposite direction of the way i am travelling.

This has the effect of pretty much stopping my forward direction (toward shore), dropping me like a 105kg stone, and almost always stalling the kite.

So how is this different from when ur getting lofted?
Are people too scared to direct the kite into the drink or what ?
anyone

robbo.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
30 Mar 2006 11:34pm
eric is da man! nice find windang...
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
30 Mar 2006 11:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by robbo

can someone tell me why this wont work:

when i do a jump that i havent edged enough, and i start getting higher and closer to the shore, i usually put the kite toward the water in the opposite direction of the way i am travelling.

This has the effect of pretty much stopping my forward direction (toward shore), dropping me like a 105kg stone, and almost always stalling the kite.

So how is this different from when ur getting lofted?
Are people too scared to direct the kite into the drink or what ?
anyone

robbo.




Robo, when you jump, you are doing it within the kite /kiteboarder weight wind range. When you turn the kite, you are dragged by the initial impuls, than the kite slows down, but your buddy is in full swing, getting in front of the kite, which stalls, and this is when you fall like a brick.
When lofted, the wind is at least 2 times fatser (than 4 times the power). The kite is very difficult to control, as the bar presure is very high - you will have to pull very hard to turn the kite, than, when the kite start to move, it moves at tremondous speed, which will add to the force. The kite will not depower, contrary will start to drag you through the air, towards the water very fast. You end hiting the water (but not the sand) at very high speed and I think this is what scares almost everyboddy.
I've don it once, I had sore backt for few weeks, ended on the Bowen Terapist Table (very painfull on bot my back and my back pocket), and that was all, no major injuries, next day I was back on the water .
However You have to be mentaly prepared for this, and have to be very fast.
Beter avoid to be lofted
cliffor123
cliffor123
455 posts
455 posts
30 Mar 2006 10:20pm
yea, i think lofting means to be lifted by the strong wind and lift of the kite, either that or upward wind, swinging under the kite like in jumps is much different.
greg
BLOWN AWAY
BLOWN AWAY
156 posts
156 posts
2 Apr 2006 12:38pm
I've been lofted before... 20m AEROs and very thermal affected wind just don't mix well. all unintentional and quite quick the trip up... but to be honest i was quite glad i had such a big kite as it worked like a parachute allowing a soft landing in the 3 inch deep water... then i released the second i touched down. It shakes ya up a bit. a friend of mine allmost got killed back in 2001 when a 41 knot squall lofted him up a cliff. No sooner do you realise whats happening you're up too high to release.. just avoid getting into danger in the first place.

dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
2 Apr 2006 8:13pm
check out naish.com.......videos. when things go wrong...

Most guys get lofted as they kitesurf as a squall/front hits. In Perth Nw winds are notoriously gusty and when a front hits F$#king watch out. Never been lofted as I ride Xbows and never kitesurf as the mean black cloud fronts hit... If you do sooner or later youre asking for it. Was sailing a 16' hobiecat once when a squall hit and got front flipped.... RESPECT
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
4 Apr 2006 1:47am
This topic came up way back when I had no idea how to control a kite in any conditions but it sounded like good advice even then.
it was from Ryland - short & sweet as is his usual way.
"just keep flying your kite"
I reckon for me the panic would over-ride any chance of sensible thought or action but I have remembered it just in case - it would certainly help if you've got what it takes at the time.
If you watch the vid - thats exactly what flying Eric did to prevent his disaster.
Soonee
Soonee
VIC
147 posts
VIC, 147 posts
7 Apr 2006 2:12pm
Hanging your kite over the water will get you killed (by other kiters) at St Kilda as everyone kiting upwind is being obstructed. Sometimes you need to use a bit of judgement,
But depower wnhen you get on land
I also have a direct 5th line with a grab on it which can drop the kite in a fraction of a second.

Big rule, don't assume you can control the situation and hang on until it's too late.
Also if boosted on land try and point to the water, I had a nasty scare where my Chicken loop safety wouldn't come undone and luckily I was able to point to sea and eventually got it free after about 200m of dragging and boosting through the water. Much softer landings in a difficult situation.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
7 Apr 2006 1:18pm
You can yell and scream,
hopefully someone gets it on video and you can enjoy it over and over again.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
7 Apr 2006 9:04pm
Robbo....loop it....
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
8 Apr 2006 7:40am
Try for a grab maybe a roast beef? Def try and look cool even give the finger to ya mates
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