What gives a board good POP.

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Idiot
Idiot
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WA, 577 posts
23 Nov 2009 1:42pm
Nothing pops like corn

NJPornstar
NJPornstar
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23 Nov 2009 2:45pm
katey said...


Snowboards have started experimenting with this slightly opposite rocker and then kick up right at the tips and those boards feel kick arse in the parks. No kiteboard I've seen looks like this and i'd love to try something like that out. I think a stiff flex board in this new shape could launch us further than anything else because there would be next to no absorption in the load.


There has been a board like you have mentioned. It was called the Wipika Park.
Matsu (RIP the guy who owned the company) was super keen on the snowboard style idea and eneded up making a few production models of his favourite shapes. It was very loose and a good light wind board. Terrible for loaded tricks where you need to cut an edge hard but it did truck upwind well when underpowerd and in flat water.
Think Wipika International stopped production of those boards in 2003? a retailer would know better than me.

Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
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23 Nov 2009 5:48pm
hookworm said...

its the rider it doesnt matter what your riding if you load right you can pop off the water with almost anything, different designs just make it easier or harder depending on the rider and technique used.


We weren't discussing whether a board can pop or not, the fact is some boards are better than others. Therefore the board is relevant.

The boards flex has much to do with how you can pop.

My SX148 has bugger all pop because it has so much flex, hence why its awesome in waves/chop, but not so brilliant in flatter conditions unless there is light wind and you don't feel inclined to pop.

My Cab Custom 133 is stiff as hell and pops like a maniac, going out on a super choppy day means I'm in the air off almost every little peak I hit at speed.

It's like suspension on a car - the cab has none and the SX has plenty, the cab will 'out pop' the SX just about every time.
kitefriend
kitefriend
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23 Nov 2009 5:59pm
Cab custom isn't a stiff board... It's a board that is designed to work properly with flex.
I agree that poorly designed "flex" kiteboards will be terrible for pop and load. A board with no flex or lots of flex (designed properly) will not change how much pop you get, some may work better for certain riding types and styles but neither will get you higher off the water when used at it's peak performance.
waxman
waxman
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23 Nov 2009 10:30pm
My 129 lunacy had good pop, just stomp it and up it went. It had verry little flex and was almost flat as a board but poped better with the kite at the higher side of the skale was great for learning tricks and landings stuck easily but wasnt a verry friendly board for the body.
kitefriend
kitefriend
NSW
147 posts
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23 Nov 2009 11:08pm
Lunacy actually has alot of flex, it isn't good on your body because it is shaped like a door and is nearly as flat as one to.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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23 Nov 2009 11:00pm
To be fair at least most doors have some contours in them. The lunacy is more like a 2 x 4 from bunnings.
waxman
waxman
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23 Nov 2009 11:03pm
its definatly a door, now has no fins and sits there waiting for the next time the slider comes out.
kitefriend
kitefriend
NSW
147 posts
NSW, 147 posts
23 Nov 2009 11:36pm
The sad thing is, it has the technology of a good slider board in it's construction, but without rocker and shape it's pretty useless on rails/ ramps.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
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24 Nov 2009 12:59am
kitefriend said...

Cab custom isn't a stiff board... It's a board that is designed to work properly with flex.
I agree that poorly designed "flex" kiteboards will be terrible for pop and load. A board with no flex or lots of flex (designed properly) will not change how much pop you get, some may work better for certain riding types and styles but neither will get you higher off the water when used at it's peak performance.


Fair enough, but then if it isn't flex then what is it that would make a board pop?

The cab is a very stiff board, try bending it over your knee - I'm referring to the 07 - they've put a bit more flex in the later ones.
kitefriend
kitefriend
NSW
147 posts
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24 Nov 2009 1:25am
07 model, yes that is a fairly stiff board but still not dead stiff like common wakeboards.

As has been said it's the tension that you create in your lines when you load against your kite that creates the "pop" you get off the water. There are different styles and ways of doing this, flex and non flex boards have different techniques to achieving the same goal. Some people say a "flex" board will allow them to "pop" higher, however it has been proven that neither will pop higher than the other and some people just go higher on a flex board because it is more suited to their style and not because it has flex.

Flex boards are more suited to the "back foot" loading type rider, whereas a stiff board is more suited to a more aggressive full body (hard front and back foot) type loader. With the flex board you can sort of "spring" off your back foot (tail) as you leave the water this can gain you a lot of extra height and if you are a weaker loader will help get you up there. The added bonus a flex board gives is the smooth landings, your knees will thank you.

The reason a lot of wakeboarders still ride dead stiff boards is because for one they didn't (until this season really) make boards that have flex with built in bottom shapes and fins, however now they make what they have dubbed "hybrid" boards (a combination of a wood core flex board with built in fins and contours) I'm sure we will see alot more riders swapping over in the near future. The other reason is because they are stubborn haha.

p.s. I really can't iterate enough that the production "flex" boards kiteboarding companies make for the most part are cheap rubbish. They flex because of the lack of materials and the poor placement of materials they use, what worse is they use this as a selling point... Don't be fooled.
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