What's the bar system do you like & why?

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general_dude
general_dude
WA
150 posts
WA, 150 posts
12 Feb 2008 2:38pm
Hi Guys,

I have a Xbow with the std bar system. I'll need a new kite for Next season (too many smash downs instead of splash downs!)
I see lots of stuff about kites on this forum, but wonder who likes what bar systems. The Xbow has a pull/pull trim system, but I think I like the look of a below bar trim cleat....

Thanks.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
12 Feb 2008 4:53pm
no trim cleats for me thanks.

IMO the cabrinha bar ( 121 ) setup is one of the best. Trying to fiddle with trim cleats below the bar whilst powering through chop or whilst bobbing in the water can be awkward. Not to mention how they jam up or eventually the teeth wear the rope and then it barely holds at all. Lastly in my experience you have to hold a considerable amount of pressure in your hand while powering up the trim.

Cab setup is right in front of you, you can make very small adjustments it is just so easy. Only downside is if you regularly drop your bar in the sand it gets caught in the trim strap and whilst it does not jam it does start to wear and fray the seatbelt type material ( i have snapped two in 12 months ) I put my bar on my kite or my board problem solved. Actually maybe I should just stop fiddling with the strap.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
12 Feb 2008 5:51pm
harry potter said...

no trim cleats for me thanks.

IMO the cabrinha bar ( 121 ) setup is one of the best. Trying to fiddle with trim cleats below the bar whilst powering through chop or whilst bobbing in the water can be awkward. Not to mention how they jam up or eventually the teeth wear the rope and then it barely holds at all. Lastly in my experience you have to hold a considerable amount of pressure in your hand while powering up the trim.

Cab setup is right in front of you, you can make very small adjustments it is just so easy. Only downside is if you regularly drop your bar in the sand it gets caught in the trim strap and whilst it does not jam it does start to wear and fray the seatbelt type material ( i have snapped two in 12 months ) I put my bar on my kite or my board problem solved. Actually maybe I should just stop fiddling with the strap.


I tend to disagree. Ever bar system has its problems. With the cab for example, it doesn't offer a decent leashing system due to the rear line connection (kite spins 10x on the way down) and if you attach to the front lines, its not spinnable and if you attach to the depower line you have issues if you want to flag it in a squall.

The limitations with straps is that they are often out of reach (if you have a long throw on your bar), or limit the amount you can depower the kite. Straps are also difficult to adjust if they dry with salt on them so you have to wet them first, not very easy if you have to launch a full powered kite, go into the water and then depower.

Not all below the bar cleats fray or have issues with not holding and those that work properly are easy to adjust but the down side with cleats is some also have hassles with the chicken loop designs (not all are push designs like the Naish Smartloop or Ocean Rodeo).
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
12 Feb 2008 5:00pm
I have ridden Slingshots and Cabrinhas for the 2 1/2 years that I have been kiting.

I prefer the Cabrinha setup with no pulleys on the bar (switchblade setup) because:

- More direct feel with no pulleys
- Less complication with no pulleys
- Prefer the plastic sleeve to the rope because of less wear
- Never had a problem with the trim strap - hardly ever need to adjust it while riding anyway unless the wind speed is very variable.
- Can clip my kite leash straight onto the plastic sleeve depower rope

That is my comparison of the bars - however you should consider the kites too. No use having a schmik bar and a crappy kite attached to it. I can more easily get over a few things that I don't like about a bar (as long as they are not safety related) than things I don't like about a kite.

As most people will say - test as many demos as possible before buying.

skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
12 Feb 2008 5:21pm
I love the Naish smart loop; It's super clean, super easy to trim, and can be fitted to the 2007 bar :D
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
12 Feb 2008 5:32pm
During the 6 years I've been riding the best bar by far was a modified Flexifoil Strike 2 bar. It was modified with the Slingshot swivel that works perfectly, the Clam Cleet depower trim strap which is the most superior and easiest trim system ever, great chickenloop (that I actually still use for my modified atom bar) and just great. Great grip, size, easy wrap up and so on..

The only way for you to get the perfect bar is to modify it.. There will always be some things you love with one bar but most likely also something with that bar that you dislike
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
402 posts
SA, 402 posts
12 Feb 2008 7:19pm
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Check the video - looks awesome!
ali
ali
QLD
68 posts
ali ali
QLD, 68 posts
12 Feb 2008 7:56pm
New North one is really great, has all the features i like, the only 1 small thing theyve gone backward on, is that the ironheart on this years does not swivel. Line quality is really good too. The new stopper works properly and the range of power/depower vs sheeting length is fully adjustable.

Im happy
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