Who called in a chopper because I had to swim in?

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goldie
goldie
NSW
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10 Dec 2008 9:53am
Yesteday I ditched my Arc out at Longreef and couldnt get it back up, and had to roll it up and paddle in. I was in the water for about 30-40 mins all up. A windsurfer, and then a clubby on a waveski came over and asked if I was ok, I told them I was fine and thanks for the concern, then, while I was on the beach, a rescue chopper showed up!!? A bloke walking past said that some kitesurfers at Brownwater were freaked out and had called the cops! From the timing, I estimate that I couldnt have been in the water more than 20 mins before it was called. What on earth is going on with kitesurfers?
Is the reason most kiters never venture more than 200m off the beach because they cant swim? Or did someone call in a helicopter so that I wouldnt rip my kite swimming it over the reef?
It's appropriate that we are aware of other kiters, and notice when they are having a bad day, and possibly drop past just to check all is ok if we're unsure, but please, keep the rescue authorities for serious emergencies.
Having to roll up my kite and paddle 400m was an annoyance. It was never going to be a dangerous situation, and it was never anything remotely like an emergency.
I would suggest, to anyone who freaks out when they see someone having to swim in, to relax a little, and wait an see what happens. Give them at least an hour to suffer being a kook, and then see if they are any closer to sorting themselves out.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:01am
Man i sure hope i can tread water for an hour. I better start wearing that PFD2 like i'm supposed to.
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:01am
I thought a 40 minute swim was the minimum initiation requirement for arc-ers?
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:04am
I attended an event recently and overheard three participants admit that they really couldn't swim.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I kind of like the Darwinian resonance.....
Rebel
Rebel
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:47am
you can never be soo safe.. i would be thanksful if anything.

If they can clearly see you are alright.. they wont stop you.

Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
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10 Dec 2008 11:07am
What the hell's an "Arc"?
Also why are you complaining that there are people out there that actually give a sh1t ?
IMO it is comforting to know that strangers saw you and alerted the autorities surely there was something amiss with your situation that prompted the call?
If I saw a lone kiter way out and where no other kiter was for an hour stuffing round with a deflated kite I'd call someone too but it wouldn't be after an hour.
Stop whinging and look at the positive side of the situation, you make it sound like you had to pay for the chopper or something.
Planner
Planner
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
10 Dec 2008 11:13am
Better safe than sorry.....
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
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10 Dec 2008 3:50pm
They need to keep their hours up some how.
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
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10 Dec 2008 4:28pm
It wasn't an hour. It was 20 minutes. And in that time a clubbie paddled over to him and asked if he was OK. If I can see the person, and they look OK, I give them longer than 20 minutes before I call the chopper. Goldie says to give the kook an hour before calling the chopper - which I also think is fine. If they seem OK, and aren't far from land, then an hour in the water is unlikely to hurt them.

Back to the longreef thing, how many times have you watched someone swim in for 20 minutes? I've probably had about 8 longer than 20 minute swims back to shore in my kiting life. The only one that was remotely dangerous was in 6C water in northern california, in offshore wind, and the people I was kiting with rode past often to make sure I was OK.

I personally think it's a bit nuts to call the chopper on someone after 20 minutes, when they look fine and appear to be swimming and making progress. I'd feel bad if there was a real emergency somewhere else while the chopper was faffing around with me.

Flying Kiwi
Flying Kiwi
WA
258 posts
WA, 258 posts
10 Dec 2008 2:47pm
I was at fishermans last night, when I turned up I saw you on the reef, and there were only a couple of kiters actually on the beach, I spoke to them all and none of them mentioned calling a chopper, I'm sure they would have if they had made the call.

I saw a helicopter that did a quick fly by, it looked like the TV chopper to me, not the coastguard or rescue helicopter, but I could be mistaken. If the chopper was called it was probably by a beach walker.

Everyone was keeping an eye on you and would have come to your assistance if needed. I kite with most of those kiters all the time and everyone is very relaxed and helpful.

So chill out and be glad that everyone was looking out for you.

It was a good session till dark, bummer something went wrong and ended your session.

Gav
tezza49er
tezza49er
NT
97 posts
NT, 97 posts
10 Dec 2008 3:39pm
Hey guys give goldie some credit here.....what he did was safely pack up in the water and paddle 400m. It's harder than it looks.

Up until around 2003, the line quality on kites was absolute shyte (the kites were not much better). Seeing someone paddle in after a sudden line snap or the chicken loop breaking was almost an everyday event.....we all did it....no biggie. We kited over to offer help and some times helped bring some gear in etc.

Reading between the lines I would guess that the dudes that called the cops have entered the sport lately (on high quality gear that rarely just snaps) , have probably not seen this before and were trying to help. Shame they didn't kite over to him first to ask but maybe they couldn't ??

Only the cops make the call to get the chopper, in this case unaware of the facts, not the dudes kiting. Feel for ya goldie .....must have been embarrassing but atleast its good to know we are watching out for each other.

stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
10 Dec 2008 3:39pm
Agree with Tezza, thats a pretty solid swim hauling gear. Why didn't you get the clubby or the windsurfer dude help you? must be a really good swimmer. Yep the chopper thing, doesn't mater, as long a it doesn't cost you money. Do you have to pay to be rescued? I know some dude kiting hit a tinny at Sandy Point ages ago and it cost him 5 grand, for an airlift, but thats the ambulance service.

I'm a not a good swimmer, and particularly with an arc that for me would be pretty scary.
Think I'll look again a PFDs, hate the idea of wearing one. With out wanting to get too much off thread, who wears one? and how does it fit with a waist harness?

cheers
Paul
MagicMike
MagicMike
WA
210 posts
WA, 210 posts
10 Dec 2008 4:14pm
i wear a oniell impact vest/pfd and it works great. doesn't show too much and if you do screw up out the back you can relax a little. might be a bit of an issue with a waist harness but you could give it a go
BOOMAN
BOOMAN
VIC
333 posts
VIC, 333 posts
10 Dec 2008 6:48pm
thats sweet as at least they care. I was at st kilda k.o myself was so out of it for an ages i hung on to a bou only to have 30 + kiters go past and eventully a windsurfer helped me. that was the last time i went to st kilda also i dont want to stand on needles
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
10 Dec 2008 7:12pm
Goldie is some kind of a Man/Fish freak.
What I want to know is why wasn't he flying the nice inflatable relaunchable hybrid kite? You can lead a horse to water......
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
QLD, 6160 posts
10 Dec 2008 6:19pm
It was Alex Sanz.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
10 Dec 2008 5:24pm
My first swim in nearly killied me, my bar and lines had snagged on the reef, and I didn't realise for ages, and that was with an inflatable. I really hate to think how heavy a foil filled with water would be, crazy dude
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
10 Dec 2008 7:49pm
pclarky said...

My first swim in nearly killied me, my bar and lines had snagged on the reef, and I didn't realise for ages, and that was with an inflatable. I really hate to think how heavy a foil filled with water would be, crazy dude


I've had heaps of experience swimming in with foils. They actually don't fill up with water how you think they would. But even if they did, Goldilocks the Mer-Man would have prevailed. He is waterman! Wrestles white pointers for fun. The man is fully sick, fully water-borne sickness - like cholera. I'll stop now.....
goldie
goldie
NSW
9 posts
NSW, 9 posts
10 Dec 2008 8:44pm
ok kiter789 settle down.
Sorry To Gav and the Fishermans Beach crew if I falsly accused you guys.. (myusernam, who is alex sanz?) I'm pretty sure it was a rescue chopper, it had a winch and all, and it circled right where I had been.
goldie
goldie
NSW
9 posts
NSW, 9 posts
10 Dec 2008 9:05pm
pclarky, I didnt get the clubby or the windsurfer to help me, because I didnt need help. I went into the water totally prepared to get myself safely out of any situation that I might have gotten into, I got into a situation, and I got out of it. This is the attitude that anyone doing anything adventurous should have. It is the attitude that all kitesurfers should have. I'm frankly aghast to hear any kitesurfer admit to not being a good swimmer! However I'm realising that the Kitesurfing community includes a lot of people who never expect to be more than 200 m offsore, and fully expect to be helped or rescued when something goes wrong.
The contrast between kitesurfers and surfers is massive. In 12 years of surfing, in aust, and Indo, various spots in the pacific, I've been in heaps worse situations than yesterday, and I've still never seen a surfer have to be rescued, nor even talk about calling the cops.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
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10 Dec 2008 9:14pm
So goldie, correct me if I'm wrong, but basically what you're saying is....

kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
10 Dec 2008 9:16pm
Aaahhhhh, I see! THAT kind of chopper...!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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10 Dec 2008 7:27pm
Feel happy that you can complain about people calling a chopper rather than your family demanding why no-one acted.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
10 Dec 2008 7:47pm
Goldie, I have surfed heaps, and agree with you. But if you're in trouble you're not
hauling a 20 kilos of gear, are you. I know my limitations, I'd rather accept help than put my self at risk, why make it harder for yourself, you must take a lot of pride in your self rescue ability, for me I will take a ride in with the clubby rather than treadwater for an hour, but we're all different.
T one
T one
NT
321 posts
NT, 321 posts
10 Dec 2008 8:30pm
"pclarky, I didnt get the clubby or the windsurfer to help me, because I didnt need help. I went into the water totally prepared to get myself safely out of any situation that I might have gotten into, I got into a situation, and I got out of it. This is the attitude that anyone doing anything adventurous should have. It is the attitude that all kitesurfers should have. I'm frankly aghast to hear any kitesurfer admit to not being a good swimmer! However I'm realising that the Kitesurfing community includes a lot of people who never expect to be more than 200 m offsore, and fully expect to be helped or rescued when something goes wrong"

There is a lot to be said for personal responsibility - should be more of it.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
10 Dec 2008 8:05pm
Also says alot about inflatable kites that will drag you back to shore, rather than old crapper Arcs that sink, but that only my opinion. Alex sanz I recon I can beat you on the crap posts dude,ha
goldie
goldie
NSW
9 posts
NSW, 9 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:23pm
pclarky, the trouble with taking the lift from the clubby is that it leads clubbies and other authorities (and other kitesurfers) to the perception that kitesurfers need to be helped and/or rescued. Which means kitesurfers are a burden on the authorities, need to be monitored, banned, restricted, licenced and otherwise systemetized. Which is bad for everyone.

tobes yes chopper put it perfectly. and yes I'm sorry, I am a recidivist, and I will never take an arc on a downwinder ever again. i promise.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
10 Dec 2008 8:33pm
Just a bit of banter Goldie, Arks must be good "Noha" had one and all those animals
he put on it, they have some grunt. Mate I've been kiting a long time never had to have been rescued, kite a long way out at times, and know how to deal with problems when they happen, still not an olympic swimmer though.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
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10 Dec 2008 10:38pm
goldie said...
I will never take an arc on a downwinder ever again. i promise.


I'll hold you to that..........unless you're on ice........no, not the drug, the frozen water.....
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
11 Dec 2008 8:44am
goldie said...

pclarky, the trouble with taking the lift from the clubby is that it leads clubbies and other authorities (and other kitesurfers) to the perception that kitesurfers need to be helped and/or rescued. Which means kitesurfers are a burden on the authorities, need to be monitored, banned, restricted, licenced and otherwise systemetized. Which is bad for everyone.



Never a truer or more accurate word spoken.

And as for that arc on a downwinder comment...well, if I've told you once, I've told you a million times. Do I need to come up there and take that thing off you? Don't make me take it off you, young man...

mjm108
mjm108
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
11 Dec 2008 12:56pm
Goldie, your post worries me a little. I hope that no-one reads your article and agrees with your strange way of thinking. I hope that if i'm in trouble offshore and am lucky enough to be spotted, that my potential life saver fails to raise the alarm because he believes it would be uncool or make him a "kook" in some way. Be careful what you wish for...
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