Why no Kiting Clubs??

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bakesy
bakesy
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25 Mar 2011 8:34pm
what is with the lack of comps in this so called sport. A sport is generally defined by its competitive nature. The Euro's are up and running and I'm not sure about the east coast but in the west there is virtually no competitive edge to the "sport". All fledgeling sports that have established respect, regulation and honour have done this through competition. It seems to me that kiting will be sacrificed/crucified because it doesn't have clubs, comradery and good old Ozzie competitive spirit. I read somewhere that an Olympic bid was brewing or planned, good luck with that. Golf only just made it and this is the most popular and well organised sport in the world. Kiters in West Oz will need to get their s**t together, organise yourselves and you'll find that visiting awesome spots with some order will give you a sense of brotherhood/sisterhood and when councils start to regulate you may need to present a united front, rather than the loose band of poser/disrespectful mavericks than one may observe on any given windy Sunday, if one kid gets hurt you are screwed.It has worked for virtually every new "sport" so organise and compete!! There are some amazing natural amphitheatre's on the west coast, just check out Marg's during the surf comp, many are perfect for kiting comps. In fact the southside of The Cut in Mandurah would be a great venue, to see guys hitting The Wedge on a good swell is awesome and adds a real edge to the "sport".
little o
little o
WA
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WA, 405 posts
25 Mar 2011 8:58pm
Stop all the talk and get organising then!
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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25 Mar 2011 10:19pm
Dear readers...Kitasaurus joined us yesterday, 24 March 2011...me smells a troll but I can't help myself....perhaps he's just new to the sport....but me smells a troll anyway so here I go...[}:)][}:)]

kitasaurus said...

what is with the lack of comps in this so called sport. A sport is generally defined by its competitive nature. The Euro's are up and running and I'm not sure about the east coast but in the west there is virtually no competitive edge to the "sport".

There's an organisation that ran a winter wave comp in Aug 2010 & another wave comp at Wedge Island in November 2010...so when Mike Hunt (such an interesting name) says there's a "lack of comps"...one has to wonder what he's really on about? This organisation/club also ran a race from Rotto to Leighton in December last year which got pretty major local, national and international media coverage, but hey, there's nothing going on locally hey Mike?

I understand the same organisation (maybe it is a club after all) is going to run the same competitions later this year and will also run a freestyle comp in early 2012...

[b]Kitasaurus said....[b]
Kiters in West Oz will need to get their s**t together, organise yourselves and you'll find that visiting awesome spots with some order will give you a sense of brotherhood/sisterhood and when councils start to regulate you may need to present a united front, rather than the loose band of poser/disrespectful mavericks than one may observe on any given windy Sunday, if one kid gets hurt you are screwed.It has worked for virtually every new "sport" so organise and compete!!"

Kitasaurus obviously has NFI about the work that has been done over the past 12 months in particular with various councils around Perth & WA...of course, given he only joined yesterday it's great to see/read a newbie jumping on the bandwagon & showing his concerns so soon in the piece. Mike/Kitasaurus, some crew have got their s**t together already mate.

Mike aka Kitasaurus....welcome to the sport mate. It's great to have you on board and with ideas....

If you want to join THE club that organises competitions, events, liaises with local and state government about access issues and kite surfing related issues, I'm sure you would be welcomed if you got involved with WA Kite Surfing Association. Check them out www.waksa.org.au

You might be surprised to hear what they do...

Welcome to the sport mate. Great to read a newbie with such enthusiasm coming on board and throwing some bait out there on a Friday night.

Juddy
eppo
eppo
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25 Mar 2011 10:27pm
he he he told dude!
tightlines
tightlines
WA
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25 Mar 2011 10:27pm
^^ A new bloke comes along with a name like Mike Hunt and you reckon you smell a troll, maybe you have just got a suspicious mind, anyway what would you know about kite clubs Juddy

P.S. I have now got Monday off.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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25 Mar 2011 10:29pm
TL...

As Sargeant Schulz used to say as I was growing up...

"I know nuthing..."


Bigwavedave
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26 Mar 2011 12:31am
coward
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
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26 Mar 2011 12:23am
Hey Kiteasaurus,

Maybe most of us just ride because we love to ride. Maybe we don't feel competitive against others but rather get our competitive ya ya's by competing against ourselves to try and improve every session.

I love to kite with friends, and also alone, to wash off the weeks stresses, to get away from my phone, email, FB and sh1t that annoys me. Getting out for a session is quality me time, and then hanging with friends talking about nothing serious, and helping others on the beach afterwards just does it for me.

We may not have an official "club" at Pinnaroo, but all of the Pinnacrew, I think, would agree with me when I say, we have a tight social scene.

What exactly was your point?

DM
yeehaa
yeehaa
QLD
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26 Mar 2011 10:17am
Why class kiting as a "sport"?

I don't like it that way, i just like getting out on the water, without trying to be better then anyone else, and just ride how it makes me feel good with my friends.

We all get super stoked when someone has a good sesh. Isn;t that what it's all about?
bakesy
bakesy
WA
682 posts
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26 Mar 2011 11:35am
no troll here, just someone who enjoys what the state has to offer and has read with interest a number of posts relating to fears that the "sport" will be regulated like jet ski's. I have heard that in the metro area things are getting scary and that sooner or later an accident will result in the "sport" being limited to certain areas. This goes against what this country is all about, you should be allowed to recreate anywhere and in whatever fashion your heart desires (within the bounds of the law!) Surfing and many other fringe sports developed into an acceptable and respected sport through organisation and competition, this gave them leverage with state and local authorities when issues arose. I am talking about groups like Trigg boardriders, Scimitar and City Beach in West Oz and the countless others on the East Coast in the 70's. They attracted the young and old and had different divisions for levels of ability also some of the members went on to hold influential positions in local business and government. I am aware that a group exists in WA but I'm talking about local clubs such as Peel, Brighton,Leighton,Rocko and Pinnaroo becoming well known not just in the fraternity but in the wider community and local media. If this is done the "sport" becomes legit and much harder to criticise and be bullied by local councils, also, leaders of these groups can "counsel" those that don't do the right thing and invite them to join the club and be responsible for the success of this awesome "sport". I'm not a troll, just putting out some ideas that may help, if they confuse or irritate I'm sorry about that but I think if you learn from others (surfing,windsurfing,motoX,BMX ,cycling,etc) that have thrived and others (jetski, skating etc) that have suffered from regulations and poor image then we can see kiting really get to where it belongs!!
ashton
ashton
WA
31 posts
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26 Mar 2011 3:31pm
kitasaurus said...

no troll here, just someone who enjoys what the state has to offer and has read with interest a number of posts relating to fears that the "sport" will be regulated like jet ski's. I have heard that in the metro area things are getting scary and that sooner or later an accident will result in the "sport" being limited to certain areas. This goes against what this country is all about, you should be allowed to recreate anywhere and in whatever fashion your heart desires (within the bounds of the law!) Surfing and many other fringe sports developed into an acceptable and respected sport through organisation and competition, this gave them leverage with state and local authorities when issues arose. I am talking about groups like Trigg boardriders, Scimitar and City Beach in West Oz and the countless others on the East Coast in the 70's. They attracted the young and old and had different divisions for levels of ability also some of the members went on to hold influential positions in local business and government. I am aware that a group exists in WA but I'm talking about local clubs such as Peel, Brighton,Leighton,Rocko and Pinnaroo becoming well known not just in the fraternity but in the wider community and local media. If this is done the "sport" becomes legit and much harder to criticise and be bullied by local councils, also, leaders of these groups can "counsel" those that don't do the right thing and invite them to join the club and be responsible for the success of this awesome "sport". I'm not a troll, just putting out some ideas that may help, if they confuse or irritate I'm sorry about that but I think if you learn from others (surfing,windsurfing,motoX,BMX ,cycling,etc) that have thrived and others (jetski, skating etc) that have suffered from regulations and poor image then we can see kiting really get to where it belongs!!


I just want to ride with my friends, get stoked off eachother busting out (no matter what level they're at) and have a good time. I can do without all the BS of bringing clubs, sponsors, media coverage and money into it. Seriously, why go out of your way to make the sport more crowded than what it already is? I promise you, you'll see more accidents, negative articles in the paper, council issues and kiting prohibited signs popping up faster than you can keep up with it. I'd rather see kiting as more of a lifestyle as apposed to an Olympic sport where more & more MFr's to join the cash train. I'd rather not have it over-populated any more than it is now & ruined like surfing is. Kiting's a big area sport, riders need space and people can get hurt. It's not like 40 surfers sitting on one peak bored, frustrated as fk and fighting for waves. Ruined spots like ours with muliple kite schools see's daily carnage with intwinned kites, dozens of half taught kookasaurus's, vans full of national/international blow ins who don't give a sht and Cabrinha's in tree's. It's reminds me of a Demo Derby.... but with sports like that where others can get hurt, eg moto-x.... they're smart enough to limit how many people go out.

It's getting worse & worse every season and we've still got arseholes selling these spots as the place to be for your next holiday or trying to get comps going big enough to attract international hotshots. Show some respect to the people who ride there with their mates, live it, luv it and have been riding it for years. I couldn't care how many dingle dangle's you can do and I couldn't give 3 flying fks about scoring it on paper. What ever happened to the hoot when you do something good or push your limits? eeeeooowww!! Have you ever thought...... 'going out of your way to push the sport like this (kitasaurus and some others) you could be creating an unwanted monster for those who truly luv it and just want to have fun?'

Some people won't agree with me.... that's fine!! Some have money in the sport and want it as busy as possible everywhere... some are naive and haven't considered the issues that we could see in only just 1 or 2 seasons to come. We're saturated as fk here already! The first issue for us nowadays is finding a carpark!!

When a spot gets banned.... those people go to the next 'already crowded' locations putting even more pressure on them. Making them even more dangerous to ride at and suck balls cause you can't even find room to try a new trick. While on top of that we've still got schools with business plans in place to pump out more & more half taught kiters each season.

I can do without the multiple kite schools at locations, the sprukers of the sport, the location name droppers and comps.

Good times are riding with my friends. Waves, flat, rain or shine. I don't need to see banners, councils, microphones and too much cock n balls at the beach.






towradgi
towradgi
NSW
432 posts
NSW, 432 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:40pm
Great reply Ashton.Surfboardriding and windsurfing thus kitesurf clubs are a total WANK.Good concept on paper but doesn,t work in reality.The clubs are run by good intentioned dictators ,self appointed because no-one else wants the job.Their egoes get bigger and they lose club friends and are much maligned,the club pays for his trips away to meetings.transport,accommodation etc.Boardriders join with great enthusiasm cos of the hype of all locals unbeknown to them more than half pointscores are cancelled per annum and you do a 20 minute heat in a 5 hour pointscore.Other than walking around with a boardriders T-shirt in the mall club members realize quickly they get nothing out of it and quit.The club implodes in a couple years.I started surfing in 1972 for the fun and freedom and the unlimited hours and was a member in the early 80,s of a boardriding club.I started windsurfing in 1984 was a forming member of Wollongong Wavesailors Club in 86,on pointscore days if there was one we had no judges because everyone was in the water windsurfing because its the only time of the week most guys had off.We had an Australian Wavesailing Titles here and a SONY WAVE CONTEST also,The club imploded within 3 years.These are freedom sports with minimum rules join a surflifesaving club or soccerclub if you want to belong and have rules.However the choice is yours I was there 25 years ago,good luck.I kite for the freedom and fun and no rules.
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
26 Mar 2011 10:14pm
Yep, you need clubs if you have no friends, luckily most kiters like a chat on the beach or share a beer and some bull**** after a good session so I think that we all have a nice little crew of buddies and lots of downwinders on the card.

Competition will make the sport evolve.
Yep that is true and very important if you are 16 with pimples and want to bring a trophy home for your mum.

There is already too many schools and the crowds are getting intense so I won't be joining your litle club and will concentrate on enjoying every minutes on the water.
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
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27 Mar 2011 10:05am
You cant compare surfing and wind surfing with kiting. Surfing is just you and a board much the same as windsurfing where as you know kiting takes up a whole lot more room from rider to kite so if your using all this space on the beach along with 30 or 40 others and you add to that a couple of guys that don't know what there doing along with a bunch of beachgoers and spectators it can be a recipe for disaster. kiters can sit on this forum and whinge about problem kiters threatening to ruin there local or local clubs can be used to sort things like this out. The ones that knock clubs are the guys to self absorbed in themselves to think about the future of the sport cause it's all too hard.
towradgi said...

Great reply Ashton.Surfboardriding and windsurfing thus kitesurf clubs are a total WANK.Good concept on paper but doesn,t work in reality.The clubs are run by good intentioned dictators ,self appointed because no-one else wants the job.Their egoes get bigger and they lose club friends and are much maligned,the club pays for his trips away to meetings.transport,accommodation etc.Boardriders join with great enthusiasm cos of the hype of all locals unbeknown to them more than half pointscores are cancelled per annum and you do a 20 minute heat in a 5 hour pointscore.Other than walking around with a boardriders T-shirt in the mall club members realize quickly they get nothing out of it and quit.The club implodes in a couple years.I started surfing in 1972 for the fun and freedom and the unlimited hours and was a member in the early 80,s of a boardriding club.I started windsurfing in 1984 was a forming member of Wollongong Wavesailors Club in 86,on pointscore days if there was one we had no judges because everyone was in the water windsurfing because its the only time of the week most guys had off.We had an Australian Wavesailing Titles here and a SONY WAVE CONTEST also,The club imploded within 3 years.These are freedom sports with minimum rules join a surflifesaving club or soccerclub if you want to belong and have rules.However the choice is yours I was there 25 years ago,good luck.I kite for the freedom and fun and no rules.


jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
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27 Mar 2011 10:09am
I am the same. Couldn't give a toss about comps.That isn't the reason clubs are being formed.
yeehaa said...

Why class kiting as a "sport"?

I don't like it that way, i just like getting out on the water, without trying to be better then anyone else, and just ride how it makes me feel good with my friends.

We all get super stoked when someone has a good sesh. Isn;t that what it's all about?


little o
little o
WA
405 posts
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27 Mar 2011 12:52pm
scarbs has a club, they had a function in feb. Pinnas is a club of sorts. And there's a female kiting 'club' which is recognised and promoted by Kristine Bose. I think we seem to be doing nicely.

Maybe if you want to compete more often you should get on board with WAKSA and organise soemthing new.

Great ideas are just ideas without actions. Maybe start with something simple like a post on seabreeze......from little things big things grow.
Jr Walks
Jr Walks
WA
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27 Mar 2011 1:12pm


the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
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27 Mar 2011 9:09pm
you guy's write too much

welcome back rsc you have been missed [}:)]
bakesy
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27 Mar 2011 9:17pm
nice one Jr, good effort with only one hand whilst you indulge in your other favourite activity. Anyway, on Friday I went offshore chasing some fish, within two hours we had caught a solid dhufish and a good pinkie. If the politicians had got their way we would have been done for the day, but a funny thing happened when our "sport" was scrutinised by the govt a little while back. All the fishing clubs and our governing body Recfishwest sent a powerful message to those wishing to impose restrictions on the pursuit we love. Guess what? they listened and realised that we had a point and we vote! I shudder to think what might have been if we as a group hadn't had clubs dotted along the coast that had been operating for decades ready to voice our concerns, as a result we were able to present our concerns and decide our future in a small but important way. I'm not a fully addicted kiter and have a few recreational arrows in my quiver, so I agree with and understand how not everyone wants to compete but we should belong to a local group so that when the time comes (and it will) the nazis will see an organised and well represented sport rather than a group of funboys and girls that they care little about. Interesting to note that not many juniors exist in the sport, this could be a problem...
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
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27 Mar 2011 10:30pm
So you are actually stoked despite landing a solid Dhuw and a Pink snapper you could keep on going.
Mate, you need a lot of fish for dinner at your place, hope your kids have some left over when they get a bit older
little o
little o
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
28 Mar 2011 10:56pm
more juniors by the minute. Not sure where your getting your info.....

......you should try spear fishing.........actually get under the surface and see how the number of fish change year to year.......maybe meet some of the bigger fish
wishy
wishy
WA
1501 posts
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28 Mar 2011 11:11pm
There's a kitesurfing club at woodmans point, you can go and kite there with 1,000 of your best mates every weekend. There's a free service there to test the durability of the windows of your car too.

I'll see you there when I get bored of gigaboosting and throwing buckets with my one friend at a deserted beach :-)
enicao
enicao
WA
77 posts
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29 Mar 2011 1:26am
ashton said...

I can do without the multiple kite schools at locations, the sprukers of the sport, the location name droppers and comps.



do you prefer 2 schools, 48 taught newbies and 2 not taught newbies

or 1 school, 24 taught newbies, and 16 not taught newbies?
(assuming 10 people wouldn't get into the sport because of lack of schools, and 16 would start anyway)

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
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29 Mar 2011 8:10am
kitasaurus said...

nice one Jr, good effort with only one hand whilst you indulge in your other favourite activity. Anyway, on Friday I went offshore chasing some fish, within two hours we had caught a solid dhufish and a good pinkie. If the politicians had got their way we would have been done for the day, but a funny thing happened when our "sport" was scrutinised by the govt a little while back. All the fishing clubs and our governing body Recfishwest sent a powerful message to those wishing to impose restrictions on the pursuit we love. Guess what? they listened and realised that we had a point and we vote! I shudder to think what might have been if we as a group hadn't had clubs dotted along the coast that had been operating for decades ready to voice our concerns, as a result we were able to present our concerns and decide our future in a small but important way. I'm not a fully addicted kiter and have a few recreational arrows in my quiver, so I agree with and understand how not everyone wants to compete but we should belong to a local group so that when the time comes (and it will) the nazis will see an organised and well represented sport rather than a group of funboys and girls that they care little about. Interesting to note that not many juniors exist in the sport, this could be a problem...


duh what is AKSA and WAKSA iand NSWKBA etc if not an organised group?

daggy
daggy
WA
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29 Mar 2011 2:54pm
god, i'm sooo bored
dusta
dusta
WA
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29 Mar 2011 3:01pm
kitasaurus said...

no troll here, just someone who enjoys what the state has to offer and has read with interest a number of posts relating to fears that the "sport" will be regulated like jet ski's. I have heard that in the metro area things are getting scary and that sooner or later an accident will result in the "sport" being limited to certain areas. This goes against what this country is all about, you should be allowed to recreate anywhere and in whatever fashion your heart desires (within the bounds of the law!) Surfing and many other fringe sports developed into an acceptable and respected sport through organisation and competition, this gave them leverage with state and local authorities when issues arose. I am talking about groups like Trigg boardriders, Scimitar and City Beach in West Oz and the countless others on the East Coast in the 70's. They attracted the young and old and had different divisions for levels of ability also some of the members went on to hold influential positions in local business and government. I am aware that a group exists in WA but I'm talking about local clubs such as Peel, Brighton,Leighton,Rocko and Pinnaroo becoming well known not just in the fraternity but in the wider community and local media. If this is done the "sport" becomes legit and much harder to criticise and be bullied by local councils, also, leaders of these groups can "counsel" those that don't do the right thing and invite them to join the club and be responsible for the success of this awesome "sport". I'm not a troll, just putting out some ideas that may help, if they confuse or irritate I'm sorry about that but I think if you learn from others (surfing,windsurfing,motoX,BMX ,cycling,etc) that have thrived and others (jetski, skating etc) that have suffered from regulations and poor image then we can see kiting really get to where it belongs!!


please learn some punctuation and then post , until then tl:dr
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
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29 Mar 2011 7:48pm
Why is there always someone in the General forum from W.A always whinging about something. You guys have the beast wind in OZ and a huge coastline. Maybe you just have it too good.
wishy
wishy
WA
1501 posts
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29 Mar 2011 7:22pm
jas73 said...

Why is there always someone in the General forum from W.A always whinging about something. You guys have the beast wind in OZ and a huge coastline. Maybe you just have it too good.


Awww Jas, what's wrong with the lovely brown water at mudgate? And the gentle puffy NE wind? I also miss the razor sharp rocks, floating debris....
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
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29 Mar 2011 11:09pm
Mate i stay as far from there as i can and only kite there when i have to and as for floating debris, We dont have any dick head it's just wind we need. So why do you guys whine all the time again?????
wishy said...

jas73 said...

Why is there always someone in the General forum from W.A always whinging about something. You guys have the beast wind in OZ and a huge coastline. Maybe you just have it too good.


Awww Jas, what's wrong with the lovely brown water at mudgate? And the gentle puffy NE wind? I also miss the razor sharp rocks, floating debris....


the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
29 Mar 2011 10:41pm
meeeow dick head, i am sure you cant say that, wheres the police
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