Why no seabreeze?

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tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
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NSW, 253 posts
30 Dec 2008 8:03pm
This is to all those weather guru's out there...

What other factors are involved other than the land/water temperature differential?

I live in Sydney, and today was stinking hot, but no breeze came. Whereas one day last week was not as hot as today, with the same water temperature, but there was a howling seabreeze.

Whats the deal? I just want wind everyday damn it!! (Don't tell me to move to Perth)
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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NSW, 3452 posts
30 Dec 2008 8:04pm
move to geraldton
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
30 Dec 2008 6:13pm
it's beacuse the strongest sea breeze happens when temperatures are around 24 degrees, isobaric wind gradients can often oppose weak see breees to cancel them out

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
30 Dec 2008 9:36pm
Temperature inversions can severely affect the seabreeze developing. Cities like Sydney with large amounts of concrete and roads are often affected by inversions.

see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_inversion

Undagekiter
Undagekiter
QLD
70 posts
QLD, 70 posts
30 Dec 2008 9:42pm
wasnt it windy at botany today?
i was working and i felt a nice NE come through at around 2-3pm
im sure botany would of been howling 20 knots
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
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31 Dec 2008 12:03am
The basic premise of a Seabreeze is that the land is heated up during the day. As the day progresses and the sun loses some of its strength the warm air of the land begins to rise. This air is then replaced by the cooler air coming in off the ocean. If the day is particularly hot, then the warmth of the earth hasn't the opportunity to "vent" and rise into the atmosphere.

This is a very basic explanation obviously without technicalities of atmospheric pressures etc. The days of 24 - 28 degrees are generally your best hope of a solid seabreeze, notwithstanding other contributing factors.

Clear as mud!
laurie
laurie
QLD
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31 Dec 2008 1:32am
more here...

www.seabreeze.com.au/info/wind.asp
vader
vader
NSW
418 posts
NSW, 418 posts
31 Dec 2008 8:46am
its up to hughie
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
31 Dec 2008 1:31pm
Cheers all....a bit clearer.

Undagekiter: Not windy enough yesterday. I was at the bay for about 2 hours, and it was just teasing me enough to stick around, but never actually made it :(
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
31 Dec 2008 2:01pm
Briefly about a complex issue
It takes more than Hot land and cold water to produce a seabreeze.

WA's seabreeze is best understood as a pressure gradient wid produced by a deep inland area of low pressure called the 'Pilbara low'. The position of the Pilbara Low is determined by surrounding areas of high pressure. Highs off the West Coast [all this summer] push it Inland and the Southerly cranks. Highs in the bight [alot of last year] push it to the coast and offshore and we get hot north east or northerlies winds, and crap seabreezes...... 'Troughed out' in WA slang .

The East coast gets more reliable seabreezes in El Nino years [low rainfall, cold water, predominantly high pressures in The Tasman], but this year has been wet and warm water in the Tasman [El Nina]produces predominantly low pressure in the Tasman which equalises with the heat low inland negating any barometric pressure diffrentilal and hence killing the wind. But conversely Tasman lows produce good surf with light winds so better wax up the surfboard again this year
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
31 Dec 2008 5:33pm
Thats good to know Niall, but haven't had much good surf yet unfortunately either. Other than a few kites, its been in the cupboard since the winter.

When is the El Nina coming back? Tomorrow? Or do I have to wait til next week?
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
31 Dec 2008 5:34pm
Wait...do you mean La Nina, or El Nino is good?
juggler
juggler
VIC
243 posts
VIC, 243 posts
4 Jan 2009 2:18pm
Its been crap in melbourne too lately, we get the odd one coming in but thats all
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
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4 Jan 2009 7:17pm
tmiddled said...

Wait...do you mean La Nina, or El Nino is good?


He means el ninO - the opposite of la ninA, which is what is screwing the E coast seabreeze this year-except for today (honked) and the next few days.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
4 Jan 2009 7:31pm
loco4olas said...

tmiddled said...

Wait...do you mean La Nina, or El Nino is good?


He means el ninO - the opposite of la ninA, which is what is screwing the E coast seabreeze this year-except for today (honked) and the next few days.


and last year
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
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4 Jan 2009 8:21pm
Move to freo

D
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
4 Jan 2009 10:23pm
I did screw up the terminology of course but was pleased to see some peolpe attentive enough to see the mistake.

El Nina [wet, windless years in E Coast Oz with cool water off W Coast of S America as usual] and El Nino [dry + windy in E Coast Oz. Unusually Warm water off W coast S America].

I have edited that mistake out.

Good news for East coasters is that El Nino seems to be getting more common.
West Coast wind seems to cycle too. There is a theory on that too. Oceanographers have found that there are 2 bands of relatively warm ocean circulating around the Southern Ocean very slowly. It may be that when this warm water lies off the Southern shores of Australia it discourages highs from lodging in the bight and troughing out the West coast, It also brings more rain to Melbourne, which seems to be the pattern this year and hopefully for a few to come [as I live in Perth].
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
5 Jan 2009 4:04pm
It's those same highs lodging in the bite that give US our wind. I hope like christ it doesn't do this for another couple of years. This season has been dog **** to say the least. [}:)]
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