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as mustard
as mustard
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
10 Sep 2007 3:45pm
hey all

another newbie here looking to the gurus that breeze through here.
im really keen to get into the sport, but lessons in perth arent that cheap. im also up hillarys way.
i have recently purchased,
a 2004 wipika 18m ( big i know)
wipika apocalypse 151, plus harness, bar/lines etc.
so basically im ready to go.
im 85 kilos, have played with a trainer for ages and looked at every instructional website known to man.
is it possible to teach myself?
Jaimie Lee
Jaimie Lee
QLD
120 posts
QLD, 120 posts
10 Sep 2007 5:48pm
GET LESSONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
10 Sep 2007 3:50pm
Its possible,but not recomended!

You have gone this far,best thing is to get a lesson.

They are not cheap,but neither are repair or hospital bills!


Also,18m is a big kite to start on.You should have got a 12.

Be carefull,get lessons!
as mustard
as mustard
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
10 Sep 2007 4:18pm
every kite i see for sale over the 14m mark are all talking about being great for "the light wind days"
i got it because it was cheap. but also for that reason.
so how strong could the 18 go up to?
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
10 Sep 2007 6:52pm
A lesson or 2 will save you a month or 2 of trial and error and maybe a broken bone or 2.
Well worth the coin.
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
10 Sep 2007 6:56pm
IMO an 18 is waayy to big to learn with. To be honest i have never needed such a big kite, and i doubt u will either. Id say sell that sucker, get a 12, book a lesson and then enjoy the learning curve, weve all done it, youll be right, but have at least one lesson, and get a different kite. It will help you learn so much faster and safer. JMO
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
10 Sep 2007 5:15pm
ok, your either a troll or suicidal with an 18 and no prior experience.

its possible to teach yourself if you had a 7m bow/hybrid and a huge beach with no one else on in 15 knots and you knew the basics.
an 18 will probably make you hate kiting and give up pretty quickly as there is a reason it was cheap. If you cant afford a right sized kite and lessons you cant afford kiting. once you have these though you dont have to spend much more.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
10 Sep 2007 7:26pm
Many people got seriously injured especially on old c-kites with limited depower which I believe yours is. When I say serious, I mean serious, do a search on kiting accidents and you will know what I mean. Lessons are must, and only from qualified instructors. This is the top school in WA:

actionsportswa.com.au/

Do not even think of trying it yourself, especially on such a big kite. You obviously havent seen this -







quote:
Originally posted by as mustard

hey all

another newbie here looking to the gurus that breeze through here.
im really keen to get into the sport, but lessons in perth arent that cheap. im also up hillarys way.
i have recently purchased,
a 2004 wipika 18m ( big i know)
wipika apocalypse 151, plus harness, bar/lines etc.
so basically im ready to go.
im 85 kilos, have played with a trainer for ages and looked at every instructional website known to man.
is it possible to teach myself?


merman
merman
QLD
431 posts
QLD, 431 posts
10 Sep 2007 7:59pm
Get lessons dude...

i had two lessons and still Axxed my self while learning on a C kite...


tore an ACL in my knee and delayed my learning by 2 n a half months.. plus 2 n a half months of excruciating re-hab....

JUST GET LESSONS!!!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
10 Sep 2007 6:01pm
Hey as mustard,

We are the school at Pinnaroo Point just a "click" or so north of Hillarys. We really like our beach and want everyone that uses it to be safe. So we would recommend coming and seeing us for a lesson .... or two if needed. If you have done that much training and self learning, you will advance quickly. Our lessons are 1 on 1 so we speed up to suit your skill level.

Please do not fly an 18m kite with no experience anywhere on the WA coast, negetive news headlines don't do any of us a favour. Welcome to the sport and see if you can sell the 18, you'll never use it in WA. My biggest is a 14 and I rarely ride that. Most common is a 12m and then a 9m or even a 7m for the windy days.

Give us a call if you need some advice.

Good winds,

RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
10 Sep 2007 6:13pm
Take kite hards advice,....
You can play around in sub 15 knts on a 18m but you are not going to learn a lot

Lucky bugger that got rid of that 18m
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
10 Sep 2007 6:30pm
On another note,who the hell sold you that big kite?

Totally iresponsible!
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
10 Sep 2007 7:19pm
rig big and go large.



Not.

Be careful dude u can die.
Barnzy
Barnzy
NSW
25 posts
NSW, 25 posts
10 Sep 2007 10:15pm
18m is going to drag you around like a rag doll mate! particularly if it has no de power. Sure your a big fella but that kite is bigger!!
Please get proper lessons mustard and a more suitable kite for the sake of your own safety and others that use the beach and kite in your area.
Whoever sold you this kite should seriously think about what they have done for a few dollars.
Just my 2 cents
Barnzy
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
10 Sep 2007 9:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by as mustard

hey all

another newbie here looking to the gurus that breeze through here.
im really keen to get into the sport, but lessons in perth arent that cheap. im also up hillarys way.
i have recently purchased,
a 2004 wipika 18m ( big i know)
wipika apocalypse 151, plus harness, bar/lines etc.
so basically im ready to go.
im 85 kilos, have played with a trainer for ages and looked at every instructional website known to man.
is it possible to teach myself?




The old 'big arse kite' trollthread hasn't been seen for a awhile.
lol.
Wink.
That's the one about the newbie who buys a 18m blimp on a budget....
and then skimps on the expensive lesson.
It always cracks me up.
The el cheapo author, 'As Mustard' is keen for a stiff 30 knotter breeze.
He's sick of the trainer kite and his brain has turned to mush from watching too many instructional vids.

And to answer the question;
"is it possible to teach oneself" ?

Yes, the old gurus did at one time or another, and they still rip.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
10 Sep 2007 10:42pm
Put it this way I got my mate into it and hes regular size probably about 70-80kg. I got him a 13m Fuel 2006 and thats pushing it as too big for our normal windstrengths. I would not even bother trying to learn in WA on anything larger than a 13m

Better off getting a 10,11 or a 12 as a one kite quiver, depending on how much you weigh. I weigh about 75kgs and could easily haul my arse around all season on my 10m bow kite. My largest kite is a 12m and definately would not go any larger personally, it gets me going as son as it white caps, if its not white capping call it a day.
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
VIC
622 posts
VIC, 622 posts
11 Sep 2007 10:01am
quote:
Originally posted by padi

Many people got seriously injured especially on old c-kites with limited depower which I believe yours is. When I say serious, I mean serious, do a search on kiting accidents and you will know what I mean. Lessons are must, and only from qualified instructors. This is the top school in WA:

actionsportswa.com.au/

Do not even think of trying it yourself, especially on such a big kite. You obviously havent seen this -







Hey! I thought the Eric Video was banned?!
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
11 Sep 2007 11:35am
damn i hate that video now...damn you eric.

i have a 14m X4 and thats what im using to start on, apparently its a big boost kite too, but hey i just dont fly it directly above me on land or i just trim the kite once in the water and fly depowered... oh and with the 14, dont go out in more than 15 knots i recommend. 14s are generally pretty hard to water relaunch cause of their size.
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
11 Sep 2007 11:43am
the X4 is a high aspect super boosting kite, i used to have 10m X4 that was the business.

If you can fly the X4 and relaunch it 100% then any of the newer kites will be a breeze. An 18m is too big to be learning on.

Get an 8-10m ANYTHING to learn technique first and save trips to the hospital.
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
11 Sep 2007 12:08pm
i'm 100 kilo and taught myself on a 14.....i ride a 12 meter now and realise that i would have been way better off on a smaller kite. I've got a windsurfing/sailing background and have wakeboarded and skurfed my whole life and still struggled. An 18 will kill you.
marno
marno
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
11 Sep 2007 12:20pm
I'm secretly interested to know if you can make it to the Whitfords Shopping Centre on a windy day with the 18m, ... go on, give it a go, whats the worst that can happen !!!
as mustard
as mustard
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
11 Sep 2007 12:43pm
well thats about answered my questions.
and no worries about the whole "new guy becomes quaddie" cos i would never take the kite out more than 12k any way. so it seems that there may be a 18m popping up on ebay soon.
just making sure there would be no reson to keep it for " light winds"?
waveslave, when your at uni and a "porcellain technician" for cash 250 bucks doesnt fall out of the pocket that easy.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
11 Sep 2007 3:46pm
I got an old 17 from 2002 and on a day when you go to the beach and realise the wind just didn't hit as hard as promised, your dieing to get out, a kite with that size can still get you going. But then again I used mine about 5 times over the last years.
If you live somewhere where the wind rarely gets above 15-16 knots you could be fine.

If you consider learning on that dinosaur and you're not even quite sure what you're doing then you could/will get hurt.
If you go out there just be very aware of the conditions and don’t even think about going out there if you see white caps on the water.

I learned on a 16 with my mate and never had a problem, but there were no schools around to learn where I lived and strong wind was quite rare.
My advice is: Get a smaller kite and you will have way more fun and progress much quicker!
If you find a cheap 12 bow that would be great, but a C shape will be absolutely fine.
as mustard
as mustard
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
11 Sep 2007 1:51pm
alrite.
and as for that vid of erik eck - mother of god!
something to look forward to. i imagine that would put mary poppins to shame.
Randy
Randy
5 posts
5 posts
12 Sep 2007 6:45am
mustard,

the way to go on a tight budget is to hunt around for a second hand 9m -13m kite because u will always damage the first one when u r learning. Spend a couple of bucks on a introductory lesson even if its just to learn the safety / self rescue / water launch's and all the good stuff that get you out of a piclkle. once you are up and ridding around you will meet people in the sport who will help you out with pointers etc but at the end of the day its not how much u are willing to spend on your gear, its what price could u put on your safety.

only from personnel experience mate i have been in some dodgey scenarios eg tangled, blown vavles self rescue it is not an uncommon event when you r trying new manouvers or even in the surf. When i look back to when i first started i wish i would of been able to find the time to learn more basics instead of trial and era

best of luck mate

Randy
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