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KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
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2 May 2006 6:16pm
is there anyone who is serious about making kite boards in w.a i am looking for someone who has some knowledge on composite construction and can kite . i have the facility to build kite and sail boards .but would like to find some body who is intersted in producing , testing proto types and marketing a 100% w.a made kite boards
VB MAN
VB MAN
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2 May 2006 6:46pm
Wow that's uncanny! Try doing a search for "captain kaos"
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
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2 May 2006 9:19pm
bear in mind.
as a wise shaper once said: 'after you have built a hundred boards you "might" have a good marketable product'
it's a labour of love.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
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2 May 2006 9:47pm
I would be keen to give em' a test, Im riding on a snapped slingshot 04 sx 122 and i saw your boards down at the river the other day they look pretty good. I don't know much about production though but i know a good board when i see one.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
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2 May 2006 8:54pm
mike ... Why arent u calling me.

ok let me see

-dont have a job
-have plenty of free time
-kite alot
-have some sort of engineering knowledge
-im cool
-I enjoy long walks on the beach

perfect candidate
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
3 May 2006 5:42am
you got me with long walks on the beach and yes you are
cool ? we have cracked it the pimp daddy board it's sweeeeeeeetttttttt . where did you get to yesterday
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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3 May 2006 9:56am
But carbine who's gonna be his pro rider
carbine
carbine
WA
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3 May 2006 8:53am
quote:
Originally posted by KAOS69

you got me with long walks on the beach and yes you are
cool ? we have cracked it the pimp daddy board it's sweeeeeeeetttttttt . where did you get to yesterday


um uni ****. kiting today though. Come to woodies and experience the joy of flat. I need to ride some pimp daddy.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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3 May 2006 1:57pm
It's crankin bring your 200m
carbine
carbine
WA
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3 May 2006 4:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

It's crankin bring your 200m


****en solid lit session. Powered mobes and shiz.
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
4 May 2006 4:55am
this topic is all ready getting off track
what i should have said is is there any person who would like to take there passion for board building out of the back yard and enter the open market . i already have finished prototypes which iam riding . so if you keen to have a crack at doing some you enjoy lets talk
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
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5 May 2006 6:27pm
try www.retiredgayboatbuilderslookingforwork.com.au

hope this helps.
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
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6 May 2006 5:46am
i checked it out thanks ,but it seems they all work for you
greenleader
greenleader
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6 May 2006 8:12am
thearcmancan
thearcmancan
WA
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WA, 30 posts
6 May 2006 2:57pm
hey i make my own boards check my website www.arcoholic.com my favourite is the 152 x 45 plywood sandwich with triple to quadruple concave
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
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6 May 2006 8:02pm
Can't find that website ????
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
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8 May 2006 5:56pm
to the ark man . sorry your last post got removed hope you get to read this before it goes
By the sound of it, your knowledge on fluid dynamics and composite construction is very limited, other wise when you looked up your web page www.urafarkwit.com. you would under- stand that plywood is held together with water soluble glue, that is unless you choose to use marine ply, so in the future before you open your pie hole, perhaps you should have a look at some technical data so you dont sound like a #$%@>!! and embarrass yourself with your special comments.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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8 May 2006 7:42pm
unless anyone else hasn't caught on yet, *SPOILER* arcman is a troll.

You say the Arc Man Can....
well CAN he please stop spamming the forums, 30 posts in 2 days, all trolls.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
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8 May 2006 8:21pm
Kaos,
pretty much all plywood in Australia these days is "A-Bond", waterproof phenol formaldehyde (PF) resin.
"so in the future before you open your pie hole, perhaps you should have a look at some technical data so you dont sound like a #$%@>!! and embarrass yourself with your special comments."

I think arcman is shackle's new satirical identity. Or the new "Rich Relative".
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
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9 May 2006 6:21am
why would you want to make a board out of ply anyway? the thing would weigh a ton , must be from the other side of the rock . over here we use things like chip board , nails and string ,if you want to make something last use the good stuff
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
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9 May 2006 6:36am
tobes next time i make a board out of " A bond" waterproof formaldehude ply ( pf resin ). i will contact you for advice as you seem to know so much about ply wood. perhaps you should start to make boards with the arcman you would have a lot to talk about
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
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9 May 2006 1:25pm
Boys lets not get too hung up over the quality of ply in your backyard ply board. You can make a board from any old ply even the $13 sheets from Bunnings. All you need to do is give it a couple of coats of paint or a coat of glass and resin and make sure its water tight.

The last one I did I used PVA to glue the laminates together, it has lasted the whole season and looks as good as it ever did, and If some boaty picks it up, well who cares. BTW it is a bit on the heavy side, its not soaking up water!, just built it too heavy.
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
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9 May 2006 12:05pm
at last someone with manners and common sence i am glad to hear you made your own board and it works well for you . i know a bloke on the gold coast who made some very good ply kite boards that lasted .
but its not as much fun as replying to a smart ass reply with an even smarter ass answer ,
tobes
tobes
NSW
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9 May 2006 2:41pm
Didn't mean to get up your nose Kaos, and I'm all for bringing down trolls like arcman, but we've gotta get our facts straight. Wood's a great material for kiteboards, aren't most of the better boards wood these days? Weight depends on the species, poplar is common, heard rumour the new FLX's use bamboo? I'm planning to make one with 3 layers of 4mm western red cedar. Anyway, I'm not saying any old piece of ply from the hardware store will make a great board, but it will work, cost maybe $50, the timber might swell up when it gets wet, it will warp when left in the sun, but the glue won't fail.
Now, what about that triple to quadruple concave

Hey eightfoot, how's it going, you s-arc flying plywood board builder
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
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9 May 2006 3:59pm
The kite goes great, I broke a spar last month and had a long swim in, replaced it with a piece of 12mm dowel, these kites are amazingly low maintenance and easy to DIY.

On the water I can easily hold my own with the kite, which is real good feeling considering I can be the only guy not using a bow. The 1120 gets plenty of looks, mostly nostalgic ones and a few smiles,

The kite really can pull. I need something smaller for those windy days 20-35knts. I was offered a 460 but I think its too small.

Next board will be a styrene core, epoxy laminate glass, perhaps with a balsa veneer. Cost under $80.



BigDasa
BigDasa
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
10 May 2006 9:18pm
KAOS,

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I've build a number of boards, epoxy vac bag etc. Average build time from start to finish was 15 hours over a week per board. I have spent many hours with a really good surf board shaper learning a few things and finding out about the wider surf industry.

Problem is it's a labour of love, you can have the best boards, but with out the name, funds and marketing you will never make it.
Trust me on this one, I have done this before in other industries.

I'm an accountant and business manager in a former life and looked at this very closely few years ago. Basically you would have to supply 5% of the world market to make any money and keep the dream alive.

Many have tried and may have failed. Keep in mind to get mass exposure you need retailers and retailers need mark up. So say your board sells in the store for $800 the retailer will want to make 30%-50%. So you need to get it delivered to them for say $400-$500, when you attach all the other costs such as warranty allowance (don't ever think of using the line, my baords never break) etc you are soon down to a production base cost of $300. So say you have a magical process that turns em out with graphics etc for $250 so you make $50 per board.

How many boards are sold in a week in WA, my guess 10 new ones if you are lucky accross all stores. Season in WA runs for say 30 weeks so you could sell 300 boards at $50 profit $15,000. Not worth the effort.


But as a side line when you earn money doing some thing else, well that can work.

Check out delta and how they are doing, good guide.
I don't think he gets all his money from kiteboards.
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
11 May 2006 5:53am
the first problem is your cost to make a board $300 ? what the.? thats about 6x to much . why would you want to sell through a shop , did they help you build it?
not everyone is court up inthe 20th centuary greed hunt ,but as an accountant you would not understand this . somethings are done just for the enjoyment of saying i done that . why would you want to sell more boards than undergound or cab ? this sounds like alot of hard work and would interfere with kiting time.
. This post has proved my point why no one is keen on board building , because of comments like yours ,most people fail before they start
. keep up supporting australia buy from overseas
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
11 May 2006 6:19am
on the point of breaking boards , they my not teach you this at accountant school , but think about this if they didnt break why would you need a new one . i thought the first rule of any bussiness was surply and demand , dont break no demand, why would the factory build unbrekable boards (dont you be fooled ) that a brand name means that they won't break .
Of course you can build aboard that wont break ,if you know how
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
11 May 2006 8:25am
just show some pics of the pimp daddy dave pro model, mike.






SICK!!!!!!!!!

KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
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11 May 2006 9:52am
mr pimp daddy you are now the team rider NUMBER 1. its amasing the special replys to such a simlpe and harmless question as anyone keen on board building . what i should have put is " is the any @#$%*#$ who want to talk #$%@ on a subject they know nothing about . now theres a topic .
enough said this is a lost cause .
where where you satie arvo woodies day of the year
shmage
shmage
WA
318 posts
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11 May 2006 1:36pm
certianly was woodies day of the year Mike, you even saw it for yourself hahahah.
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