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stjepan
stjepan
NSW
124 posts
NSW, 124 posts
23 Feb 2012 4:27am
the nipple that feeds centre strut has pulled apart from leading edge bladder, thinking all i need is to glue, . . what sort a glue?


gmd
gmd
WA
97 posts
gmd gmd
WA, 97 posts
23 Feb 2012 2:38am
Selleys URETHANE BOND' from the hardware store.
apply to both sides, let dry a bit, push together and put something heavy all around over night.
You can also get replacement valves which have adhesive back already and you just stick them on. Have redone most of my valves on one kite and am getting leaks once in a while. Had a replacement bladder ordered from the manufacturer and received a new one with a seam open. Not even the spare parts are quality checked..
hope you get it to work, works for me
regards
gmd
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
23 Feb 2012 7:51am
I have used just good old super glue. Make sure you get one that has plastic listed on it. The best thing is, it works pretty much straight away. Just apply a thin amount, press for a few seconds, and hey presto, job done.
LostDog
LostDog
WA
445 posts
WA, 445 posts
23 Feb 2012 7:17am
+1 for the urethane bond.
Clean both surfaces with methylated spirits.
Get a small piece of newspaper say 4*4 cm. Roll it into a cigarette shape and insert into the bladder. Unroll it inside and position it with bladder hole in the centre. This will ensure that you don't glue the far side of the bladder to the near side.
Apply glue and use a large size socket (say 32) from your socket spanner set. Place this over the valve with a book or something else heavy to apply pressure to the flange around the valve nipple.
Control your excitement for a few hours.
Done.
Now to get that thing back in.

PS: don't be shy with glue but try to avoid excess glue going to the inside.
Kitepower
Kitepower
NSW
5 posts
NSW, 5 posts
23 Feb 2012 11:29am
We recommend this stuff when repairing cracked valve or if you don't want to spend $15-$20 a pop for a replacement valve...

www.kitepower.com.au/collections/kitesurfing/SPGeneral

Rob S
Rob S
VIC
391 posts
VIC, 391 posts
23 Feb 2012 11:31am
+1 for the urethane bond

If it's open enough, put a piece of paper inside and position so accidental glue spread is not an issue. The paper left inside is not a problem.
I would wait overnight to let it set.

Stormsure is same type of glue smaller tube and half the price of Urethane Bond.
NSW, 4382 posts
24 Feb 2012 11:23pm
Rob S said...

+1 for the urethane bond

If it's open enough, put a piece of paper inside and position so accidental glue spread is not an issue. The paper left inside is not a problem.
I would wait overnight to let it set.

Stormsure is same type of glue smaller tube and half the price of Urethane Bond.



Stormsure $9.95 per tube

www.kitepower.com.au/collections/kitesurfing/SPGeneral
jetstream
jetstream
WA
57 posts
WA, 57 posts
24 Feb 2012 8:48pm
Bladder repairs is a fact of life for Kitesurfers.

The killer for kite bladders is very small amount water inside bladder then leaving it in a boiling car. With the heat / water vapour weakens these valves at glue/ fuzed joint. Worse if you leave the kite struts inflated.
Iv'e tried glueing, heat sealing, adhesive Urethane strips and patch type.
The gluing option with Tarzans Grip or Urethane Glue tends to work for a while then it falls apart when you least need it. The solvent in the glue base also effects bladder and it tends to cause it to soften and crinkle. Any Glue that does get into the inside of the bladder, the glues solvent can effect bigger areas, so it is good idea to blow up and deflate several times to get solvent vapours out of bladder.

The best solution I have found is the stick-on (adhesive) inflation nipples. Put the old Nipple in hot water and gently peel off before cleaning immaculately with metho / alcohol before allowing to dry and sticking on new valve.

To remove an old glued valve or patch, soak this area in bowl of metho for a few minutes then gently peel away when soft. Other solvents will damage bladder so test first on some scrap bladder first.

These stick on Air Valves are not cheap, expect to pay ~$30 each.



stjepan said...

the nipple that feeds centre strut has pulled apart from leading edge bladder, thinking all i need is to glue, . . what sort a glue?





NSW, 4382 posts
25 Feb 2012 8:39am
jetstream said...

Bladder repairs is a fact of life for Kitesurfers.

The killer for kite bladders is very small amount water inside bladder then leaving it in a boiling car. With the heat / water vapour weakens these valves at glue/ fuzed joint. Worse if you leave the kite struts inflated.
Iv'e tried glueing, heat sealing, adhesive Urethane strips and patch type.
The gluing option with Tarzans Grip or Urethane Glue tends to work for a while then it falls apart when you least need it. The solvent in the glue base also effects bladder and it tends to cause it to soften and crinkle. Any Glue that does get into the inside of the bladder, the glues solvent can effect bigger areas, so it is good idea to blow up and deflate several times to get solvent vapours out of bladder.

The best solution I have found is the stick-on (adhesive) inflation nipples. Put the old Nipple in hot water and gently peel off before cleaning immaculately with metho / alcohol before allowing to dry and sticking on new valve.

To remove an old glued valve or patch, soak this area in bowl of metho for a few minutes then gently peel away when soft. Other solvents will damage bladder so test first on some scrap bladder first.

These stick on Air Valves are not cheap, expect to pay ~$30 each.



stjepan said...

the nipple that feeds centre strut has pulled apart from leading edge bladder, thinking all i need is to glue, . . what sort a glue?








I've done at least 50 repairs to valves with Stormsure glue, never had any come back for a warranty of to be re-glued.
Stick on valves are $20, but thats about to change (for the better) I think.
pwatts22
pwatts22
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
25 Feb 2012 7:50pm
I'll probably be "bagged out" for saying this but for a quick fix liquid nails seems to work well for a valve repair, I've used it a number of times and it seems to work just fine although the brown colour may not look the best.
jetstream
jetstream
WA
57 posts
WA, 57 posts
25 Feb 2012 6:21pm
I'll have to buy some Stormsure I'm always willing to try something better, now thats if I can find it sold somewhere.

Kitepower Australia said...

jetstream said...

Bladder repairs is a fact of life for Kitesurfers.

The killer for kite bladders is very small amount water inside bladder then leaving it in a boiling car. With the heat / water vapour weakens these valves at glue/ fuzed joint. Worse if you leave the kite struts inflated.
Iv'e tried glueing, heat sealing, adhesive Urethane strips and patch type.
The gluing option with Tarzans Grip or Urethane Glue tends to work for a while then it falls apart when you least need it. The solvent in the glue base also effects bladder and it tends to cause it to soften and crinkle. Any Glue that does get into the inside of the bladder, the glues solvent can effect bigger areas, so it is good idea to blow up and deflate several times to get solvent vapours out of bladder.

The best solution I have found is the stick-on (adhesive) inflation nipples. Put the old Nipple in hot water and gently peel off before cleaning immaculately with metho / alcohol before allowing to dry and sticking on new valve.

To remove an old glued valve or patch, soak this area in bowl of metho for a few minutes then gently peel away when soft. Other solvents will damage bladder so test first on some scrap bladder first.

These stick on Air Valves are not cheap, expect to pay ~$30 each.



stjepan said...

the nipple that feeds centre strut has pulled apart from leading edge bladder, thinking all i need is to glue, . . what sort a glue?








I've done at least 50 repairs to valves with Stormsure glue, never had any come back for a warranty of to be re-glued.
Stick on valves are $20, but thats about to change (for the better) I think.


Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
26 Feb 2012 9:27pm
I've tried all sorts of glues for this issue.

- Super glue (difficult to use, prone to leaks)

- Plumber's cement (messy, toxic and unpredictable)

- Contact cement (sometimes works but often leaks and you have to do it over again);

- Tarzan's grip. (leaked every time I've tried to use it.)

- Urethane bond (pretty good, but once you open the tube, if you don't use it all in a month or two, it goes hard and it's expensive).

-- Best I've used is neoprene wetsuit repair glue that you can get from a dive shop, but, at $35.00 a tube it's not exactly cost efficient and it suffers from the same flaw as urethane bond in that it hardens in a few months after opening the tube.

So, if StormSure is essentially equivalent to urethane bond, that's definitely the way to go.

Make sure BOTH surfaces are super clean. Use a quick wipe of acetone just before applying but not too much or it will melt the latex.

For extra sealing, I cut a piece of latex from an old strut or bladder about 2X the diameter of the base of the valve, cut a hole in the centre of the latex patch and glue this ON TOP of the valve base and onto the bladder. That way, the air has to pass through two set of glue and latex in order to leak.

As has been reported many times on this site, best way to ensure a permanent bond is to take a 2.5kg dumb-bell weight and put it over the valve to hold it in place while it's drying.

Just make sure you don't get any of the glue on the other side of the bladder!

BTW, Steve at Kitepower is an ace bladder-fixer. Save yourself the trouble and just send it to him to fix it for you! :-)
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
27 Feb 2012 8:55am
I watched a mate fix a blownout strut on kite kite yesterday with Shoe Glue. Quite amusing and to my suprise it holds its pressure in the backyard. Hopefully better than the repair he did on his outside line using braided dental floss!


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