hmmmmmmm
i was using one with my instructor which is why i wanted to use one just for a few weeks...
maybe i shouldnt i dunno i read the other thread on this debate.

on another topic, if its southerly this arvo which is looking very probable at this stage where is a good place to go? because i'm normally at mullaloo and thats too turbulent in a southerly as i experienced the other week.
I was thinking maybe melville ? and its not going to be strong so could be decent to learn around there? (i'm still at the getting up on board stage)