Originally posted by professor
<blockquote><span>Originally posted by mitchell
Ohh. and a tip for young players... and "professor", if your kiting for looks and your choosing your style, gear, and what not based on how it looks to others, your bloody kiting for the wrong reasons.
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Good one! thanks by the way now that you have mentioned..... What are the right reasons?
I am sure you would not want to leave us hanging without the advise
As you are aware it is always the best way to not just criticise, but to offer solutions don’t you think?
Feel free please to correct me I mean you already have so why stop now
why should I kite?
Originally posted by GalahOnTheBay
99.999% of kiters are not restriced in what they do by thier kites.
when people learn that then they will stop buying a new kite every 9 months to stay with the "latest and greatest"
Originally posted by PsYLoR
yeah it looks better to the people that come up with the yapping little dog and ask "what kind of aeroplane is that your flying?"
But for those who honestly think a bow is good for unhooked then tell me why are a majority of the bow riders are putting permenant stopper balls on the depower line so that the kite doesn't completely depower when your let go of the bar???? (converting it back to standard 4 line suicide leash) defeating the purpose of the bow?
You have to give up the bow's depower capability just to ride it functionally unhooked.
So why bother with a bow when you can buy a C shape thats perfect for unhooked, hooked, kiteloops, has easily 10-15knot wind range depending on ability (can be more or less), allows you to feel pure & raw power of the wind, direct feel of the kite through the bar with the lightest bar pressure ever and boosts just as good as a bow????
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Originally posted by carbine
So you reckon people would develop as fast with a 2 line wipi classic as say they would on an 06 kite.
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Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
They ride fine unhooked, just trim it with the strap, and it is exactly like a C shaped kite, except if you miss bar pass and have a suicide leash, the kite depowers to virtually nothing!If you have the time to hang on till the kite is more to the edge or flying towards the edge, then it will be sitting there waiting for you to relaunch after you push your balls back in to place.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
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Originally posted by doppelganger
GalahOnTheBay, Wrote: I reckon most kiters would learn a lot from going BACK to a wipi 2 line for a while...
When you say,"Most kiters",are you refering to someone who can already kite and(or)beginners.
From a beginners point of view,sounds like asking an aspiring F1 driver to start of practing in a t-Model ford.
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Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
They ride fine unhooked, just trim it with the strap, and it is exactly like a C shaped kite, except if you miss bar pass and have a suicide leash, the kite depowers to virtually nothing!If you have the time to hang on till the kite is more to the edge or flying towards the edge, then it will be sitting there waiting for you to relaunch after you push your balls back in to place.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
So why's that any different to my "C" shaped kite's ?
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Originally posted by ScottieV
Can anyone explain to me, what the disadvantages and/or advantages are between a bomba twin skin kite and the standard inflatable tube type kites?
I interested in purchasing a bomba and I need independent advice.
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Originally posted by Kitepower Australiaquote:
Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
They ride fine unhooked, just trim it with the strap, and it is exactly like a C shaped kite, except if you miss bar pass and have a suicide leash, the kite depowers to virtually nothing!If you have the time to hang on till the kite is more to the edge or flying towards the edge, then it will be sitting there waiting for you to relaunch after you push your balls back in to place.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
So why's that any different to my "C" shaped kite's ?
If you are referring to how the kite behaves once you are hanging off it only attached by a suicide leash to the chicken loop, there is quite a difference.
C shaped kites retain a lot more power, bows depower virtually completely.
How either kite behaves on the leash is not the point of this thread though.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
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Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australiaquote:
Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
They ride fine unhooked, just trim it with the strap, and it is exactly like a C shaped kite, except if you miss bar pass and have a suicide leash, the kite depowers to virtually nothing!If you have the time to hang on till the kite is more to the edge or flying towards the edge, then it will be sitting there waiting for you to relaunch after you push your balls back in to place.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
So why's that any different to my "C" shaped kite's ?
If you are referring to how the kite behaves once you are hanging off it only attached by a suicide leash to the chicken loop, there is quite a difference.
C shaped kites retain a lot more power, bows depower virtually completely.
How either kite behaves on the leash is not the point of this thread though.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
Thats crap steve, if your using a 5th line, NO POWER in the kite at all !
And I agree it's not the point of the thread...
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Originally posted by Spacemonkey!
Balls with suicide leash? Faster relaunch, who is talking crap now.
Now that 5th line has come suicide leash is stupid and dangerous. Look at all the injuries suicide leash has caused. Surely as a kiteshop you can not be promoting suicide leash. suicides are not only dangerous for their users but ppl downwind. Once you go to suicide you have no control really.
Steve you really must be stupid to think that 4 line relaunches quicker. If you go to death leash with bindings you ave to swim towards the kite which can be quite hard in strong winds. If your not wearing bindings suicide leash drags you a long way from your board so it takes ages to get back up kiting again.
As opposed to fifth line, drop bar, reel it back in. steer kite into sky. Hop your your board which should be nearby. Last time i checked Cabrinha didnt have 5th line setup, ooooo now i get it.CabrinhaKitepower
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Originally posted by dachopper
Just to clear up some partial rubbish and some good info for dudes reading this thread interested in what the unhooking vs suicide effects are..
if you have a " suicide " leash on your harness and atatched to your chickenloop or similar spot then on a c shaped kite, if you miss a handle pass or let go of the bar whilst unhooked for any reason with the kite above your head you will do a reasonable job of floating down hanging off your sucide while your kite either stays above you, or slowly drifts along the forward edge of the window untill it hits the water on one side. now that's good for high handlepasses where you don't want to fall to your death, or any handle pass where your not looping the kite basically because your not getting smashed into the water. read it is the " safest " way not to injure YOURSELF. your trying handlepasses so your obviously not a beginner. but some people might say that " but what about when you do a kiteloop and bail half way, now the kites powered up and your still attatched to it." pretty much untrue, I have bailed from plenty an unhooked kiteloop after getting flung up in the air 2-3 meters and accelerating to 20kts downwind, with the kite below me. The fact is you don't know your gonna get flung that high until you are there, and when your there, and can't hold the pressure or decide to bail because you don't want to land with the bar in your hands, the lines loose almost all their tension caus of your speed, and you basically fall down at the 20 kts you've allready gained at the start of the trick, with the kite barely pulling you any more as you hit the water.
if you attatch the " suicide " to your 5th line directly, same situation you will effectively fall out of the sky. not so bad you might say, but think again when your travelling at 20kts or so ~ 35km hr and get dropped 3 meters its pretty much like jumping off a double decker bus doing 40 into a backgarden swimming pool.. (ouch!) obviously this is only going to happen if you are unhooked and let go of the bar so your dangling by your suicide. safer? maybe if your scared of dangling gently into the water off your suicide.
then theres the xbows, you can attatch the safety to the chickenloop, then as discussed the kite depowers if the bar hits the stopper ball on the centre line and moves it out once you've let go of the bar. if you have the cabrinha power lock installed, the same setup, you can crash and have the kite sitting on the powerlock rather than the bar flinging out to hit the stopper ie, you get the same results as a c-shape kite with the suicide on the chickenloop
personally ive seen them all, and used them all, and it's whatever you prefer, they all have pros' and cons. but the crap about suicides being dangerous to people downwind is just negligence!.
as for the unhooked riding of kites the only time people generally unhook is if they are wave riding and on a wave, or if they are going to try to pull a trick... all kites pull excessively on your arms as if they didn't you' sink into the water. you just need to tune ie pull the depower strap on your kite so when you unhook its depowered enough so that you don't get rocketed downwind. some people say they never pull the depower strap, but when you unhook , different brands and different aspect of kite behave completely different so the bottom line is depower it if it feels better, this means when you hook back in a second later you may have to power up again
enough from my essay
smooth riding!
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Originally posted by Kitepower Australiaquote:
Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australiaquote:
Originally posted by HungLongquote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
They ride fine unhooked, just trim it with the strap, and it is exactly like a C shaped kite, except if you miss bar pass and have a suicide leash, the kite depowers to virtually nothing!If you have the time to hang on till the kite is more to the edge or flying towards the edge, then it will be sitting there waiting for you to relaunch after you push your balls back in to place.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
So why's that any different to my "C" shaped kite's ?
If you are referring to how the kite behaves once you are hanging off it only attached by a suicide leash to the chicken loop, there is quite a difference.
C shaped kites retain a lot more power, bows depower virtually completely.
How either kite behaves on the leash is not the point of this thread though.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
Thats crap steve, if your using a 5th line, NO POWER in the kite at all !
And I agree it's not the point of the thread...
Its not crap, because I was not referring to having a leash connected to a 5th line, thats not a true suicide leash, so its you who is talking crap mate.
If you have a leash conected to a 5th line system, then your kite will depower (provided you do not have several twists between the 5th and the front lines - an inherent danger with some 5th line setups) and crash on the water, where you will need to do a 5th line relaunch, which will either not happen or will take a lot longer than a 4 line kite set up with a suicide leash, or a bow kite set up with a suicide leash.Thats why people who unhook a lot use suicides - fast relaunch, and they have the skills and balls to deal with a suicide leash.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
