doubling up lines

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JAKE123
JAKE123
QLD
314 posts
QLD, 314 posts
13 Sep 2011 12:38am
just wondering if any on has any experience in looping your lines to double them up (halve their length)? i want to try some super short lines and dont want to buy a set. does it shred the lines or attachments?

sorry if its already been covered
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Sep 2011 1:06am
Kite for long enough and you will try all sorts of silly stuff...

It can be done, but depends on how your lines attach at the bar end, as most bars try to minimise snag points (good) but that means you might have trouble finding a decent spot to connect the other end of the lines to.

Back in the bad old days some line sets came with sleeving that was floating on the line so that when you made the loops at the kite end you had sleeving there instead of bare flying line (which could wear). IF you are keen you should be able to slide sleeving over the existing line ends, and that's probably a good idea if you plan on doing this more than once or twice.

The trickiest part is hooking up the kite, as you need to set the kite end loops in the middle of the (now halved lines) so that they are equal. Best bet is to get someone to hold the bar while you pull each line tight before connecting it to make sure you get it right.

Short lines are fun, but work best on mid -> smaller kites. Get a friend to help you rig, check the setup and launch.

You will normally be able to ride 1 or 2 sizes larger kite due to the smaller power window of shorter lines, but remember that kite will still be able to generate the same amount of power it would have on full length lines to kick your butt, even if it is for a faster / shorter butt kicking than usual. [}:)]

Enjoy!
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
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13 Sep 2011 9:33am
GalahOnTheBay said...

Kite for long enough and you will try all sorts of silly stuff...

. [}:)]

Enjoy!


... indeed!

Once I tried doubling up but by adding two sets of lines, so 27m + 27m on my Rhino '06 20m. All it managed to do to the performance was pull me downwind and didn't add anything to the bottom end, was not good at all.

You can make your own sleves for your lines, just go to a yacht shop and get a small length of line thats bigger and pull out the inner part of the line, thread the sleve over the original line and bingo, you have protection. Use a lighter to melt the ends so it doesn't fray.

Good luck, let us know how you got on!

cheers,

Robbie
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
13 Sep 2011 5:41pm
You might be able to borrow some from an instructor. Most have a set of around 15m handy, any shorter doesnt work that well. Easier than stuffing around with your gear. A 6 pack for a couple of days and someone will be happy.
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
WA, 500 posts
13 Sep 2011 9:32pm
exscuse the ignorance but what gain can be had doing this?
simply more fun? quicker turning kite??????
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
13 Sep 2011 9:45pm
hey puetz I think he was thinking of halving the lengh not doubling it (20m Rhino on 54m lines only in the nt).
Jake just put a sleeve over your lines and you won't have a problem. A shoelace will do the job and is easy to slip on.
JAKE123
JAKE123
QLD
314 posts
QLD, 314 posts
14 Sep 2011 12:29am
yeah cheers fellers, i want to halve the line length just for a bit of an experiment try some loops and for really windy conditions.

good call on the sleeve i will definatley do that.

AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
14 Sep 2011 8:42am
Hi Jake,

Galah's reply was pretty much spot on. Just make sure that the doubled lines don't interfere with your safety flag out system in any way. You don't want to disable your flag out.

Looping with super short lines is gnarly [}:)] I used to use 20m (back in the day) that was heaps of fun and it used to loop so hard all four lines would go slack after the initial full from the loop. Careening through the sky towards your kite with slack lines is crazy. Usually ended in tears!

Have fun.

DM
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
14 Sep 2011 11:13am
TurtleHunter said...

hey puetz I think he was thinking of halving the lengh not doubling it (20m Rhino on 54m lines only in the nt).
Jake just put a sleeve over your lines and you won't have a problem. A shoelace will do the job and is easy to slip on.


... no worries, I usndestood what he was after, I was just say'n my little story because we all at some point wanna stuff around and see what happens when ...???

Shoe laces, what a good idea!

cheers for now,

Robbie
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
14 Sep 2011 8:11pm
AKSonline said...

Just make sure that the doubled lines don't interfere with your safety flag out system in any way. You don't want to disable your flag out.


Ah yes, I knew I forgot something... nice one Darren
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
14 Sep 2011 8:16pm
Puetz said...

TurtleHunter said...

hey puetz I think he was thinking of halving the lengh not doubling it (20m Rhino on 54m lines only in the nt).
Jake just put a sleeve over your lines and you won't have a problem. A shoelace will do the job and is easy to slip on.


... no worries, I usndestood what he was after, I was just say'n my little story because we all at some point wanna stuff around and see what happens when ...???

Shoe laces, what a good idea!

cheers for now,

Robbie


Like I said Robbie 20m Rhino on 54m lines = only in Darwin
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
15 Sep 2011 10:34am
TurtleHunter said...

Puetz said...

TurtleHunter said...

hey puetz I think he was thinking of halving the lengh not doubling it (20m Rhino on 54m lines only in the nt).
Jake just put a sleeve over your lines and you won't have a problem. A shoelace will do the job and is easy to slip on.


... no worries, I usndestood what he was after, I was just say'n my little story because we all at some point wanna stuff around and see what happens when ...???

Shoe laces, what a good idea!

cheers for now,

Robbie


Like I said Robbie 20m Rhino on 54m lines = only in Darwin


... only in Darwin indeed. I tried to learn how to kiteloop on that 20m and it nearly killed me on many occasions too. I nearly stuffed my first overseas kite holiday because of that bloody thing. It would pull like the devil damned but would never complete the loop and I always would land with such force, bloody nearly took my ankle out just before said holiday, so here's me limping around for ages with a brace on.

Prob deserve a Darwin award for trying dumb things???? Funny thing, I'm proberly gunna keep doing stoopid things??? Oh well!!!!

cheers,

Robbie

NSW, 4382 posts
15 Sep 2011 11:19am
Doubling lines, as in double the length, works up to a point then the gain from the increased power stroke is lost by the quadruple increased drag induced by the lengthening of the lines.
It works something like this, double the diameter of an object moving through a fluid and the drag quadruples.

Doubling the length is the same as doubling the diameter.
45-50M seems to be about the practical limit for most kites. recently in Port Douglas I used a 2011 15M Ozone Edge on 50M lines and it definitely improved my ability to stay and go upwind in low wind, prior to doubling the lines I could only go downwind.
Did the same thing with a 2011 C4 12M at Flag Beach in Fuerteventura this winter and it aslo worked well and enabled us to at least get a ride in that day.

GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
15 Sep 2011 7:51pm
TurtleHunter said...

Like I said Robbie 20m Rhino on 54m lines = only in Darwin


And Botany apparently...

PS Never mind the airport
PPS Or the cops who come round for a "please explain" for trying that trick so close to the airport
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
15 Sep 2011 7:58pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

TurtleHunter said...

Like I said Robbie 20m Rhino on 54m lines = only in Darwin


And Botany apparently...

PS Never mind the airport
PPS Or the cops who come round for a "please explain" for trying that trick so close to the airport

I will remember that next time I am in Sydney
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