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bellz
bellz
WA
572 posts
WA, 572 posts
25 Sep 2007 8:59pm
what do you guys recon go for a normal surfboard or a epoxy
straps-no straps quad fin-normal thruster??? cheers
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
25 Sep 2007 9:08pm
go for like a single strapped quad fin polyurethane core epoxy fish with a spiraling vee into a spiraling concave into a double to single.

hourses for courses.

skill level,
weight,
conditions,
style,
,......................
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
25 Sep 2007 11:13pm
Hey guys, give the kid a break.

Hey Mike,

Definately go for an epoxy, you will destroy anything made of polyester in no time, rolled fins, heel dings and snapped noses, creases and crazing are all on the cards with the poly board.

You can encounter this in an epoxy too, but it takes much longer to damage them. They handle the abuse better. A standard surfboard is not designed to have the forces of kite wave riding applied to it.

Stick with the thruster, they just work! As for straps or unstrapped, matter of personal taste. I generally like unstrapped (if I can be bothered to take em off) for waves smaller than 4 foot. Anything larger or for winds over 25 knots, definately more fun (for me) in straps. You can't whack it hard enough strapless or get big airs off the lip with confident. A lot of people who ride strapless crash a lot and get pulled off their boards in the wave zone and just end up in everybodys way.

if you got the skills, get to it, if not, ride out of the way to practice strapless.

Hope this helps,



CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:21am
i wouldnt eliminate quads so easy.
Most people say go a thruster because they are used to a thruster from surfing. they are right a thruster does work, but take a look at what a lot of shapes are coming out these days for kiting specific boards and there are a lot of different styles.
I have a quad, havent had it long but i love it. has super hold when riding along (prob more than a thruster) but then if you go for a hard carve it turns on a dime like a twinfin.

in saying a 'normal' surfboard wont last, i have one that i learnt kiting on that was a standard 6'1 and 2 seasons on it is still in one piece, has some good feet mouldings in it but that holds them there good...

another option is a lot of surfboard shapers are happy to shape you something and glass it heavy for you.

there are plenty of options, main thing i think to consider is the type of wave you wanna ride and the size kite you wanna ride with.
that shoudl give you answers to the size and shape of your board you want.

vert
vert
WA
267 posts
WA, 267 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:22am
kitehard pretty much sums it up, epoxy is the way to go. but if you are keen on the poly what some have done is get another layer on the board for added strength and from what i have seen it works quite well. i personally use a 6'3" JC SD-3 epoxy which i can paddle and kite, very good cross-over board. and for stronger winds i use a 6'0", both strapless, my preference.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:32am
I learnt on a polyester surfboard too, the glassed on fins were ok. Board # 2 had FCS fins which came off just by looking at them.
Poly core only boards compress in any case, unless its a sandwich construction
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:03am
Epoxy = Strong
Polyester = Weak
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:04am
if you go poly, put deck pads on for both feet to stop your heels damaging the board.
i reckon riding strapless can be easier in some ways; you can position your feet exactly where they need to be, and there is nothing in the way when learning to gybe. but its much harder to get out through the surf and you can't hit the turns as hard when you're unstrapped.
many will disagree, but i suggest a legrope for unstrapped, because you will be coming off the board. a lot.
dustin
dustin
QLD
448 posts
QLD, 448 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:17am
it matters how serious a surfer you are, poly's definetly feel better if yuor really looking for that true surfing feeling. i have a double 6 ounce deck on my strapless surfboard which i use for under 5 feet, under 20 knts and for normal surfing. For above this i have a strapped epoxy board which goes really well.

If your not a serious surfer and are just a kiter looking to have more fun in the waves i would go for a smaller strapped epoxy board. so if you would usually ride a 6'0 i would go a 5'6.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:36am
dustin is on to it; 2 layers of 6 ounce makes hardly any difference to the weight of the board but adds heaps to the strength
gkram
gkram
QLD
119 posts
QLD, 119 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:47am
I've got a 6'0 poly board which Stuey Martin shaped for me last year. I got it glassed quite heavy which makes the weight of the board heavier then a normal poly surfboard, but I find that works to my advantage when kitesurfing. I alway ride it strapless, & have had no real damage to it though kitesurfing.

I've also got a Naish 5'5" Custom Wave which is epoxy & I ride strapped in on the windier days. I much prefer the poly board as it just feels better (more like surfing) for me on the wave. I guess its just a personal preference. Both of the boards are thrusters.

Like dustin said, if you come from a surfing background, then I would suggest going with a poly board, but if you just want to have fun in the waves & ride strapped in most the time, then go with a smaller epoxy board.

BTW: I wouldn't write off quads either. They have some good design features that suits kitesurfing. There's a good article on them here: http://custom.surfboardshack.com/quad-fin-surfboards-the-next-best-thing-why-four-is-better&cat=11
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
26 Sep 2007 1:08pm
if you are new to kiting in the surf then just get any old board, regardless of what it is. You will damage it in no time and this will give you an idea on what size shape etc you like, some like em short and fat, others tall and scrawny and everyone has their own idea of the perfect paint job, but back to boards.

i chose an epoxy for its toughness, have a few bar scrapes/dings/etc that would make a normal glass board look like a boomarang.

Next board for me will hopefully be a custom glass job, with option to add straps(i.e. the holes are added) for huge days.

Might go for a quad as quite like the idea of slowing the board down a little more. There are hundreds of different board shapes, sizes, and all are for specific conditions.

If you don't care too much for perfection and want a board that will last then head into star surf in perth and grab one of their tufflites(circa 350 dollars when on sale) anything around the 6.1 x 18 1/4 x 2 5/16 mark.
hilly
hilly
WA
8134 posts
WA, 8134 posts
26 Sep 2007 9:45pm
I have purchased 2 epoxy boards one Delta the second a Tufflite both only lasted 2 kites before cracking under the front foot. Had a polyester with extra glass and FCS fins for 3 seasons now a few heal dents thats all.
Sure polyester is heavier but it does not absorb water if cracked a big advantage. Plus it is cheaper.

My 2 cents cheers Andrew
vert
vert
WA
267 posts
WA, 267 posts
27 Sep 2007 7:31am
hilly since when have polester boards not absorbed when damaged?
JC are using a new core for epoxy that doesnt absorb water, they have a demo on a vid where they place a small resin cup with water in it and a small hole in the bottom onto different types of core products and a vac on the other side.very interesting to see.
pearl
pearl
NSW
984 posts
NSW, 984 posts
27 Sep 2007 9:55am
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6218
This is a 2 season old 5'8" custom Warren Cornish poly board. It's in excellent condition condsidering the flogging I give it. No dents only cosmetic scratches. Extra layer of 6 oz and custom plugs for my stance. I prefer Red x or future fins; fcs can be a bit fragile. Shaped 3-4 inches shorter than my normal surfboards, with the extra weight and straighter outline, it turns much the same. It is a specialty kiting board
If you want 1 board to paddle surf and kite, have a look at epoxies like tufflites or if you can afford them firewire boards surf really well (1-2 inches shorter than your normal board). Put some surftech strap pads on it, to protect the deck and strap up when you need it and you have the perfect travel kit. Alternately, there are high density and thicker stringer specialty blanks, that you could get glassed lighter in poly to get a custom board that you could paddle surf and kite.
hilly
hilly
WA
8134 posts
WA, 8134 posts
27 Sep 2007 9:43am
Vert not sure what polester boards are! but when compared to styrofoam filled epoxy boards (try cutting up the commercial epoxy pop outs it will stun you how flimsy they are) polyester boards do not absord any where near as much water when holed. In other words you don't have to instantly leave the water so as to not have a really heavy board. This has been observered over 30 years of surfing, windsurfing and kiting. Not sure about the new blanks you are pimping but many have been tried in the past and the usual problems are getting the epoxy to adhere to the blank so delamination does not occur and the weight, ends up the same as polyester anyway so why pay a premium.

I suppose thats 3 cents now.
vert
vert
WA
267 posts
WA, 267 posts
28 Sep 2007 11:51am
sorry about the typo. yes i have seen first hand whats in epoxy boards, the new JC's (that im pimping) are not constructed of the same foam thats usually used. so if you get a chance, have a look at there promo vid, choicey has one if your interested.
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