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rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
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7 Feb 2012 10:52am
lost it at chrissy .found on ebay last night . any great ideas to get it back ///its under /north kite....on ebay north styler with two safety leashes.....cheeky ****ereven pick up from close to same area i lost it
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
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7 Feb 2012 12:01pm
rhinoman said...

lost it at chrissy .found on ebay last night . any great ideas to get it back ///its under /north kite....on ebay north styler with two safety leashes.....cheeky ****ereven pick up from close to same area i lost it


Can you prove its yours? I.e. did you keep the serial number?
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
7 Feb 2012 9:04am
easy,

buy it and pay paypal. Then claim that you didn't recieve item. claim lodged, 60 days, cash back to your paypal. All good.

Get even.
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
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7 Feb 2012 11:24am
Cheeky.
Id be fuming.
Hard to say until you know who your dealing with. Not as in tough guy but wether he/she actually thinks they are doing anything wrong.
Might just pay to get in touch with ebay and ask their advice cos i rckon most on here are thinking get a posse together and storm his house, film it with your gopro and post it on youtube then link it here for our enjoyment.
Id go for the ebay diplomatic solution first, then try the fuzz, then do the storming/gopro thing.
Dont forget to post.
Martyflyer
Martyflyer
NSW
131 posts
NSW, 131 posts
7 Feb 2012 12:34pm
Have you sent them a message explaining how you lost it ?They might sell it to you cheap
Wihan
Wihan
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
7 Feb 2012 11:50am
Is the harness marked with your name or phone number?
If so I would be pissed as he could have easily returned it.

If not, have you ever picked up a $20 note and kept it?
speller
speller
QLD
131 posts
QLD, 131 posts
7 Feb 2012 11:53am
Check his other items - send a message asking to inspect the crane trailer - get the address, and go and see. If it has your name on it, take the cops with you. If not, when you get there, explain the situation, and see what he wants to do about it. Reckons he's selling it for a mate - might be true?
Saffer
Saffer
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7 Feb 2012 1:13pm
I'd just play hard ball. This is classified as "Theft by Finding".

If he has not reported the goods found then he could be in trouble. He states he is selling it for a friend, so I would send through a message advising him of your intent to lodge a charge of "Theft by Finding" unless the goods are returned and offer him a $20 reward if they are returned.

In this case, the fact that they tried to sell it means they are acting as the owner when they are not and therefore acting dishonestly.

Following extract is taken from http://www.lawyers.com.au/brendan-wilkinson-criminal-lawyer/article/theft-by-finding/

Offence under: Section 74, Crimes Act 1958

Overview: A person can be charged with theft if he or she finds or accidentally comes across something belonging to another and then keeps it or deals with it as if he or she is the owner.

Example

For example, Ms XY sees a wallet lying outside her house and keeps the contents of it.

In addition to using the $50 found inside, she also attempts to sell a diamond ring she finds inside the wallet's coin compartment.

She gets tracked down by the police after she puts the ring up for sale on eBay - turns out it was made to order by the owner and easily identifiable.

Although Ms XY has come to the property innocently, she appropriated it by keeping it and dealing with it as an owner.

The 'finders keepers' rule does not apply.

How the law works

There are 3 elements to a charge of theft that must be proved:-

1. Appropriation

2. An intention to permanently deprive

3. Acting with dishonesty

Appropriation: The accused must have appropriated property that belonged to another person.

In this regard, the courts consider lost property as still belonging to the owner. Abandoned property, however, no longer belongs to the owner.

Intention to permanently deprive: The accused must have intended to permanently deprive the owner of the property when he/she appropriated it.

Intention: The intention to permanently deprive must exist at the time of he/she took the item.

Permanent deprivation: It will not suffice if the accused had only intended a temporary deprivation.

However, say on 18 August 2011, Mr YZ finds 2 tickets to see 'Phantom of the Opera' on 25 August 2011 but only intends to return the tickets to the rightful owner on 27 August 2011, this amount to an intention to permanently deprive.

Acting with Dishonesty: In respect to the charge of theft in Victoria, dishonesty means acting without any claim of legal right.

Dishonesty can often be a question of degree for a Magistrate or a Jury to make a decision about. It must be remembered that the onus is always on the Prosecution to prove dishonesty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the accused puts a case which could be true, then the Prosecution might have problems proving dishonesty.

Possible defence

The Act provides that a person is deemed to not have acted dishonestly if it can be shown that he or she took reasonable steps to identify or locate the owner before appropriating the property that was found.

For example, if the wallet that Ms XY found contained a driver's licence or identity card of some description, it could be reasonably expected that she would be able to identify and locate the owner.
kiter2007
kiter2007
WA
102 posts
WA, 102 posts
7 Feb 2012 10:16am
check out the pics of the crain in his other add.. You can see a couple of windsurfing boards lying around..... might be someone from your local!
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
7 Feb 2012 12:33pm
have reported to sandgate police .and ebay ,plus ask him to respond to it ,so lets hope he gives it back before the law asks for it back .thanks for the advice now any ideas how to get of my 5 plant possesion charge // i love you mary,jane/i hope it was a good send of,,loved youse with all my lungs
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
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7 Feb 2012 1:43pm
rhinoman said...
// i love you mary,jane/i hope it was a good send of,,loved youse with all my lungs


WTF?

rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
7 Feb 2012 1:08pm
Saffer said...

rhinoman said...
// i love you mary,jane/i hope it was a good send of,,loved youse with all my lungs


WTF?




dont trust family ..dogged me
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
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7 Feb 2012 2:19pm
rhinoman said...

Saffer said...

rhinoman said...
// i love you mary,jane/i hope it was a good send of,,loved youse with all my lungs


WTF?




dont trust family ..dogged me


Just be happy the possession charge isn't Bali
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
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7 Feb 2012 1:43pm
Saffer said...

I'd just play hard ball.

I would send through a message advising him of your intent to lodge a charge of "Theft by Finding" unless the goods are returned and offer him a $20 reward if they are returned.


Hard Ball?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
7 Feb 2012 4:41pm
PM him
Tell him its yours,
Tell him where he found it
Offer him a carton of his favourite brew.
If he's a decent sort he'll do the righty. If not......unlucky.
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
7 Feb 2012 8:41pm
BennyB12 said...

Saffer said...

I'd just play hard ball.

I would send through a message advising him of your intent to lodge a charge of "Theft by Finding" unless the goods are returned and offer him a $20 reward if they are returned.


Hard Ball?


dont travel overseas ..i got it back he has found a leash before and handed it in to padi,,,so he new what to do ,,,gave him nothing cheeky
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