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qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
14 Aug 2006 10:34pm
Just wondering if anyone has any suggestion on some really good upwind boards and sizes? (not necessarily brand new or current boards on the market)

Rider
12m flat kite, 75-80kg rider and be kiting in conditions with a bit of chop - no flat water

I'd prefer something that isn't directional...I would prefer a twin tip or maybe a mutant if a mutant is better. The board will be specifically used for going insanely upwind and downwind for a Slalom race.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
15 Aug 2006 7:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by qfmike737

I'd prefer something that isn't directional...I would prefer a twin tip or maybe a mutant if a mutant is better. The board will be specifically used for going insanely upwind and downwind for a Slalom race.



That looks like a dream board spec's, or one with propeller
I would say, going upwind is more to do with the skill than with the board.
If you find one, I will be interested to have one too
windpig
windpig
QLD
113 posts
QLD, 113 posts
15 Aug 2006 8:29pm
saw a young bloke doing some nice windward work, on a round ply wood
skim board. last summer at cotton tree!
salty
salty
QLD
51 posts
QLD, 51 posts
15 Aug 2006 9:22pm
Make your own board out of plywood. My first attempt was 122X45 13mm ply. 75kg rider. In very light wind it was embarassing how much I was cutting the wind surfers off who were following a more normal ride line. Pic of board in photos section. Chrs salty
gasman
gasman
WA
320 posts
WA, 320 posts
15 Aug 2006 8:11pm
The big issue for you is FIN SIZE.
If you are averse to a directional b, then a mutant like the Underground would suite well. It comes with twin surf style fins and conventional fins at the other end.

But if you are racing, then a truely skinny board will be better, but you will have to upgrade your skills to handle one.
If you are serious about it, then I'd suggest contacting Ian Young through this forum. He makes the best, fastest most upwind DIRECTIONAL boards on the water.
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
15 Aug 2006 10:22pm
I have to agree with Salty.
Don't discount a plywood board for a good chance at staying upwind in light conditions.
In my humble opinion the best upwind boards have little or no rocker and some concave (side to side). Oddly enough, a plywood board with no fins gets upwind quite well. With no fins, the board feels a little 'loose' when flat on the water but there is very little drag.


t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
17 Aug 2006 1:08pm
take taj's advice and use a tabble or a door sick light wind proformance and will go up and down wind very well!
maxim
maxim
NSW
84 posts
NSW, 84 posts
17 Aug 2006 3:32pm
Try the 06 Underground double concave FLX range, great all-round board. 132x39 for normal to strong wind and the 152x44 is an absolute killer for light wind! Upwind deamon and superb in all conditions, including surf thanks to the flexi tips! Can't go wrong with this one Ask your local dealer to demo one...
Mrwandaful
Mrwandaful
NSW
186 posts
NSW, 186 posts
17 Aug 2006 3:38pm
Maxim is spot on about the FLX 152. Tested one out yesterday at the KKK and it was lots of fun in light winds and hooked upwind! It was like having a bigger kite up.
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
17 Aug 2006 9:56pm
Yeah The underground board has been the board that most people have been suggesting. I currently ride a 2006 Naish Thorn 135 this Board also points upwind like a demon I was looking at the Underground Firebirds and Naish Aliens. Any feedback on these boards? I want to use these boards to practice for downwind/upwind/Slalom/Formula comps.

dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
18 Aug 2006 11:51am
the new addiction boards are such an improvement on the old ones. slightly more rocker and heaps more flex in the tips. the thing goes 10-15% faster without losing a rail..

rode cabrinha customs. flx's, northies.... for 700-750 bucks go local if you live in perth...you wont be dissapointed

(SOS in freo is the dealer)
camsand
camsand
VIC
19 posts
VIC, 19 posts
18 Aug 2006 4:37pm
I have an Underground 06 FLX 132 double concave. Sensational. Was looking at two boards but now think this will do the full range. Was out last week in 20knots dropping to 10, had a ball. Went well in onshore chop, really smooth and easy to ride, whilst when it dropped out, I was the last one out there. I'm 80kg, and not the best kiter around, and some of the guys were doing the walk of shame with bigger kites whilst I was still planing upwind(i was on a 12massault which is very grunty). Overall,can't speak highly enough of the FLX. Also I got mine from Surf FX on Gold Coast. I live in Melbourne, saw their shop on holiday, and they sent it to me at no cost, on top of providing the best price I could find. Speak to Jason who was really helpful. Cheers.
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
18 Aug 2006 7:03pm
I think your asking for two different things here.... a board that goes upwind insanely will be crap for, read EXTREMELY crap for Slalom racing. you can have a good slalom racing board that goes upwind well, but if you want someing that goes upwind an extra 20 degrees, you trade off manoeuvrabillity and size and end up with a big flat straight edged, small finned board. the trick is do you really want something to go that far upwind??
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
20 Aug 2006 2:30am
im not too sure actually. Going upwind could be good advantage in slalom it could mean less tacks but if its only going to slow u down when you go downwind well then there has to be a compromise in the upwind ability. I think knowing what competitors will be using in slalom may have a bearing on what to choose. It seems that a fairly long light board with a double concave could be useful.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
20 Aug 2006 9:11am
Hi Guys,

It should be noted that the Airush Exile is a supreme upwind machine and is fast and gets going in little wind. I'd recommend it for racing. They sold like hotcakes last year.

Good winds,

Uncle Rico
Uncle Rico
NSW
200 posts
NSW, 200 posts
20 Aug 2006 1:16pm
what about this one?

www.undergroundkiteboards.com/detail_product.php?id_p=24
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
20 Aug 2006 9:51pm
I've seen this airush exile down in Sydney they were fantastic in lightwinds. How does this board go in choppy water or right out in the bays with alot of big swells?

How much would I be looking at for a used one of these boards?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
20 Aug 2006 9:33pm
Hey qfmike737,

The Exile is not a one board quiver, when it gets really windy, you are better served on something which is more suited to choppy water (It's 47cm wide!). I ride at Pinnaroo in Summer sometimes after work and it has probably the nastiest short chop on the planet over 25 knots and for this I use the Protoy 135 which is double concave and very smoooooth!

The Exile was built for the guys and girls who compete in freestyle on the world circuits and want a short board for freestyle tricks and need to stay upwind in the judging zone in light wind.

They are enourmously popular with their owners and I haven't heard of one coming up for sale 2nd hand in my corner of the globe. Good 2nd hand ones are like rockin horse poop, rare as! Search the for sale forums to see what I mean, lots of wanted ads in the west and only 2 sold in the east.

They are a bit over a G brand new. Good winds and good luck,



qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
21 Aug 2006 10:15am
Yeah the first time i saw them was at Sans Souci in Sydney and that was when the Switchblades had just come out. There was Virtually no wind and I saw some 'heavy' people getting up and jumping around doing old school tricks on SB 12metres! It was until I walked right up close that I notice that their twin tips were that wide! Alot of the Big brand names like Naish etc are bringing out boards that are also short and wide for 2007.

I dont think one of these boards will suit doing things like slalom comps/racing unless its completely flat. Some people have suggested a longer and narrower rounded flat board or maybe one with a double concave would suit better.
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