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kites will never be bladderless. never

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Created by amirite Thursday, 15 Aug 2019
amirite
233 posts
Thursday , 15 Aug 2019 4:38PM
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why am i so certain
cause lots of dosh to be made from sale of parts

Subsonic
WA, 1713 posts
Thursday , 15 Aug 2019 7:31PM
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Coming from a pole dancer, that would explain why they will always be p!ss weak.

but i digress, maybe you should post this in the foil section. See what they think

causehecan
QLD, 553 posts
Thursday , 15 Aug 2019 9:38PM
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I flew kites before and after the bladder

theDoctor
NSW, 4830 posts
Thursday , 15 Aug 2019 10:33PM
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This forum is becoming so boring that split personality man has relevance

Plummet
4518 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 2:51AM
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um........ not a bladder in sight over than the ones holding urine.

bjw
NSW, 2744 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 7:40AM
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amirite said..
why am i so certain
cause lots of dosh to be made from sale of parts


That went well.

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 5:48AM
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talking about real kites for kitesurfing
not doonas for goldcuping

KPSS Used
NSW, 227 posts
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Friday , 16 Aug 2019 8:01AM
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Was done already seasmik kites were bladderless.










amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 6:06AM
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sure, not saying bladderless can't be done
but why kill the goose, there's doh rae me to be made on parts

bjw
NSW, 2744 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 10:19AM
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The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders, they make money because the kites only last 3 or 4 years. Lines stretch and kites deform over time making them perform worse over time.

My guess is that a bladderless inflatable kite would have its own set of issues with leaking and repairing. But it'd be more like tubeless bikes, you'd put some glue in to fix the leak.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 768 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:45AM
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My business is relying on you being correct there AmI - can I call you AAMI?

Luckeeeee I'm with AmIRigggghhhttt




ps: please bring back the red-thumbs, seriously.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:49AM
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Never replaced a bladder, can count the number of repairs on one hand. Perhaps I'm buying the wrong brand of gear...?

causehecan
QLD, 553 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 12:07PM
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Its like comparing my sperm to normal healthy sperm.

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:01AM
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bjw said..
The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders

so tell me then
why do companies bother stocking sets of replacement bladders

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:03AM
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Kamikuza said..
Never replaced a bladder, can count the number of repairs on one hand.

lucky you
others not so lucky

eppo
WA, 7150 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:21AM
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Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders except during that north 2010/2011 brain fade time. Since then ... hardly ever. Most bladders no matter how messed up can be repaired nowadays anyhow.

Material technology will surely make the current bladder requirement defunct eventually. So to say never... well never is a long time and history will prove that "never" never is correct. Except human madness, corruption and war. That will never stop until we no longer exist.

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 11:37AM
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eppo said..
Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders

well that confirms it then
nobody in the world will ever buy bladder parts again

baldrick
QLD, 137 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 3:14PM
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Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 3:24PM
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amirite said..

eppo said..
Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders


well that confirms it then
nobody in the world will ever buy bladder parts again


Oh is everyone buying a decent brand now? Or cut down all the trees?

bjw
NSW, 2744 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 4:08PM
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amirite said..

bjw said..
The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders


so tell me then
why do companies bother stocking sets of replacement bladders


How much have you spent on bladders compared to kites over the last 5 years?

Its more likely a special order from a shop to get a bladder. If it was such a money maker why wouldn't they hold stock?

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 2:09PM
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bjw said..
My guess is that a bladderless inflatable kite would have its own set of issues with leaking and repairing.

so you're saying a bladderless kite would have the same problems
as a kite with bladders

bjw
NSW, 2744 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 4:40PM
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Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.

amirite
233 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 3:05PM
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bjw said..
Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.




so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks

2stubborn2quit
WA, 126 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 5:33PM
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I also can concur with kami and eppo. Only ever replaced one bladder after crashing my kite into a wall (read house) when learning and I really flog my kites. Always trying stuff beyond my abilities.
Bladders for me and the crew I know have proven their worth and dependability considering what we put them through and the thin material they are made from.

simon78
34 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 6:55PM
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If the leading edge is air tight/waterproof do you need a bladder inside it?

so how would you attach a canopy to it (a tubeless bike or car tire)?

glue?

Dip the needle in storm seal and stitch it?

Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 1:14PM
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amirite said..


bjw said..
Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.






so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks



*This* is why well never have bladderless kites -- bladders are the simplest cheapest solution.

For the foreseeable future...

amirite
233 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 3:55PM
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Kamikuza said..
so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks

*This* is why we'll never have bladderless kites

so i was half correct then
[winning]

causehecan
QLD, 553 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 6:54PM
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This is all a big wind up right?


Are any of you free riders actually getting your kites wet?!? Bladders are just hindering your performance you should all be on rigid framed deltas. Not like you need your kites to float anyways

Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 7:14PM
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causehecan said..
This is all a big wind up right?


Are any of you free riders actually getting your kites wet?!? Bladders are just hindering your performance you should all be on rigid framed deltas. Not like you need your kites to float anyways


Is this more of the "if you're not crashing, you're not progressing" nonsense? Cos if you're getting better at flying your kite ... it shouldn't be constantly tomahawked into the water cos you've let the bar go like a newbie.

causehecan
QLD, 553 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 7:16PM
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Working on osmosis passes i gotto letgo



Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Saturday , 17 Aug 2019 11:13PM
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causehecan said..
Working on osmosis passes i gotto letgo






Oh yes -- "Wakestyle". Haven't heard that word in ten years ... do people still do that?



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