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waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
30 Mar 2009 4:57pm
Here's the fictional plot.......
It's the middle of summer in WA and you are wavekiting at an outer reef mysto spot called Crayfish Point late one afternoon.
The place is remote with no one around.
It's a solo session with only you out in fresh sideshore wind.
After wiping-out on a wave, you crash the kite and get separated from your board.
You don't wear a leggie.
The board is now caught in a current that's running slowly out to sea.
The kite refuses to relaunch, there's a problem with the rigging.
You are getting dragged downwind by your kite and your board is getting sucked out towards the horizon.
The gap between you and your board is widening every minute.
You can see that the distance to swim to your board is still do-able.
But if you make a dash for it, you won't be able to catch up to your kite again.

What do you do ?
Do you abandon your kite to save your board only ?
Or do you sacrifice your board to stay with your kite and commence a self-rescue ?

*My answer later will explain how you can save everything.
(Look for the clue in the story)
heheehe
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:13pm
NECK YOUR SELF or call out to some one who is able to sail over and offer you a tow ? Or if your lucky punk even rescue your board for a minimun carton of crownys.

I GOT IT

Get as much blood out of your body as possible (use tampon users guide), Ask passing shark to dinne in ,

Sorry i got it .

Abandon both and swim for your life ?



Dumbass
Dumbass
SA
48 posts
SA, 48 posts
30 Mar 2009 7:54pm
king of the point said...

NECK YOUR SELF or call out to some one who is able to sail over and offer you a tow ?

Get as much blood out of your body as possible (use tampon users guide), Ask a passing sharks to dinne in , chew the whole lot up ,so they can poo it all out as cow fodder.


Sorry i got it .

Abandon both and swim for your life ?




^^ WTF?

board is gone, sideshore winds, re-launch and get board or self rescue to shore.

What if it's cross off and both board, you and kite are blowing out to sea Dave?

I have an answer but I can only tell you if you change your avatar.


Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:25pm
Is easy, use your kite in self rescue mode to sail yourrself out to chase your board thus keeping the kite with you whilst you retrieve the board, then turn the kite to the opposite side and self rescue back to the beach with both.

Next!

Good winds,

king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:30pm
Sorry i serious post .

Ensure you remain attached

Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:30pm
Slave.. It blatantly obvious that this would never even happen if you wore a 'safety' leash.... I know this is the answer to the puzzle because I know what a fan you are of such a necessary and important nay essential safety feature.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:35pm
Bloke out the point just lost his NEW BOARD on his first day with it.


Slayer,,,, you my find friend a leash with heaps of recoil for speedy recovery
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:54pm
Kitehard said...

Is easy, use your kite in self rescue mode to sail yourrself out to chase your board thus keeping the kite with you whilst you retrieve the board, then turn the kite to the opposite side and self rescue back to the beach with both.

Next!

Good winds,




lol. ^^^
That's a far-fetched notion that I bet has never been achieved in the history of kitesurfing.

Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:56pm
Release the safety so that the kite doesn't catch any wind, and while still attached via the safety swim after the board.

Done it before, worked well, but it takes a fair amount of energy that you may need for the swim back.

If its a cross shore wind and the current is a) not strong and b) not moving too far upwind you could self rescue to get your board, but from experience upwind self rescue is VERY slow.
trevor1
trevor1
WA
598 posts
WA, 598 posts
30 Mar 2009 6:37pm
waveslave said...

Kitehard said...

Is easy, use your kite in self rescue mode to sail yourrself out to chase your board thus keeping the kite with you whilst you retrieve the board, then turn the kite to the opposite side and self rescue back to the beach with both.

Next!

Good winds,




lol. ^^^
That's a far-fetched notion that I bet has never been achieved in the history of kitesurfing ....




... by a kook.
flemboyant
flemboyant
VIC
375 posts
VIC, 375 posts
30 Mar 2009 9:52pm
WEAR BINDINGS. U WONT LOOSE THE BOARD
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
30 Mar 2009 7:52pm
Release to 5th line
Unhook from harness
Swim down tie up 5th to rock, craypot buoy or similar
Swim to board
Get board
Paddle board back to 5th line
Release 5th from rock, craypot buoy or similar
Collect kite
Self rescue in
Easy.

On a 4 line just hook the chicken loop round a rock, craypot buoy or similar

Do i win a prize?
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:13pm
Dunno, but methinks there might be a place for a boardleash when kiting outer reefs alone....
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
30 Mar 2009 11:21pm
If you wipe out on a wave, surely the wave, (and future waves) is pushing it towards the beach and not out the back, with the current.
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:36pm
The waves wont always push your board in to the beach, especially if there is a big area inside the reef. I think this is what Slave is on about. Something similar happened to me on the weekend.

I fell of on the first wave of a set, my board got pushed through to the inside by the rest of the set. The current in there was so strong that I was going backward while trying to body drag upwind. I was nearly about to get flushed out, but found a shallow bit of reef I could brace against while my board slowly drifted down to meet me.

Ive seen it before on a certain reef up north. The board comes in close, drifts down and is then pushed back out to sea once it goes past the lagoon. There is a reward if anyone finds a brand new Converse up that way.
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:57pm
Slave said...

What do you do ?
Do you abandon your kite to save your board only ?
Or do you sacrifice your board to stay with your kite and commence a self-rescue ?

*My answer later will explain how you can save everything.


S U S T A I N A B I L I T Y

myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
QLD, 6160 posts
31 Mar 2009 11:16am
i dont know how to self rescue (flame suit on)
but i reckon i'd just tie my flagging line to my harness and swim for the board, swim back to the harness, put it back on and continue my sesh.

it could be worse, you could have your board wedged in your skull from your board death leash and a couple of those wa whiting sniffing around
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
31 Mar 2009 9:18am
poor relative said...

Release to 5th line
Unhook from harness
Swim down tie up 5th to rock, craypot buoy or similar
Swim to board
Get board
Paddle board back to 5th line
Release 5th from rock, craypot buoy or similar
Collect kite
Self rescue in
Easy.

On a 4 line just hook the chicken loop round a rock, craypot buoy or similar

Do i win a prize?


You are a survivor, PR.
There is another method as well.

*More on that later.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
31 Mar 2009 11:51am
Sounds like BS Slave, theres not always a craypot around to latch on to while you go for a swim.
Learn to self rescue properly and get your ass back to the beach, never abandon your kite, id like to see your face when your out the back, and you see the kite take off because you didnt manage to tie it down well enough, then you are truely Fuuuuckd.

sounds like a typical Wave Slave BS story again.
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
31 Mar 2009 11:55am
That "tie your 5th line to a bouy trick " is a fool's technique - i know from foolish experince!

From first hand experience when i lost a kite years ago - i swam after it- foolishly thinking i would catch it - and i did!

Am i Grant Hackett? - no - the lines got caught around a buoy - but i nearly reached the kite BEFORE i reached the lines.

Some understanding of basics physics tells you that tension on the lines wrapped around the buoy then pulls the buoy UNDERWATER - a long way under- your bar and lines are now about 5m under water and you are screwed!

i tried swimming the kite back upwind to releases the tension and float the buoy and tangled bar and lines back to the surface - and ended up wrapped in my lines.

DO NOT TRY THE BUOY METHOD

GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
31 Mar 2009 2:02pm
I'm with Kitehard on this one, unless the board is being dragged seriously upwind.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
31 Mar 2009 3:08pm
myusernam said...

i dont know how to self rescue


I know that you are not alone. It's scary how many kiters I have talked to who have no idea what they would do if they got into serious trouble.

Re: Slaves hypothetical, I'm happy to say bye bye board, but let's give it a shot.
Kite is unrelaunchable = self rescue.
I wind in enough of the front lines or 5th line to keep the kite depowered if it takes off, then wind the lines in up to the kite.
Maybe I can fix the problem/tangle, in which case unwind the lines, relaunch, drag to board.
Maybe not, then self rescue to shore or possibly sail across to get the board, "kitehard" method.

Good advice about bouys Reflex.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
31 Mar 2009 12:15pm
Hi Pat,

If there is a decent amount of wind, the board will blow downwind, even in a decent current, assuming you're riding a surfboard.

Securing your kite is the most important decision as it is a life preserver and is easily spotted at a distance if you're in trouble. Trying to swim a kite upwind in a decent blow is a short trip to exhaustion. You would only be able to keep that up for a minute or two and if you held ground, you'd be doing well.

I don't see whats so hard about using the kite to self rescue in the direction of the board. Unless of course you don't know how to self rescue correctly.

Being alone on offshore reefs is a seriously risky business at the best of times and you should definately have your leash attached to the flag out option in case you come unhooked or a wave breaks on your kite and snaps all lines. It's best not to use a board leash at any time in the surf, unless you're prepared for the consequences.

Good winds,



GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
31 Mar 2009 2:58pm
GreenPat said...

I'm with Kitehard on this one, unless the board is being dragged seriously upwind, which is seriously unlikely.


Fixed.
NSW, 4382 posts
31 Mar 2009 4:19pm
Aside from the smell of BS, I've seen it done, by Kitehard himself!

Woolgoolga, way back around 1999/2000 cross off conditions Darren crashes the kite and is unable to relaunch, manages to self rescue back upwind with kite and board from about 750M out to see.
Don't remember the exact circumstances, but was amazed like everyone else when he managed to self rescue with is board and arrived back on the beach completely unpuffed.
Lots of witnesses.

Darrens version of how to do it is the winner! Give him the prize.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
31 Mar 2009 1:19pm
My first priority would be to save myself so I would just self rescue, as tying lines to a cray float sounds a bit risky (we are kiting at a surfbreak here, so there is wind, swell, current, ropes and lines to contend with) and as Reflex said the float would likely get pulled under anyway.
Once I had rolled up the lines and reached the kite I wouldn't consider there to be much risk associated with trying the Kitehard method of self rescuing out to the board, so would probably give that a crack.
If the current is taking the board upwind and it's only got three little fins in the water (or from memory one funny looking one, in Waveslaves case ) I would just make sure I was hanging in the water myself as opposed to lying on the LE and surely the current would assist me in going upwind aswell.
If I get to the board (and as all the endings to this senario are going to be fictitional anyway I am going to say I do (didn't think I would ever say that again )), well and good if not I'd just turn and head for shore, it was only a board anyway.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
31 Mar 2009 2:10pm
waveslave said...

poor relative said...

Release to 5th line
Unhook from harness
Swim down tie up 5th to rock, craypot buoy or similar
Swim to board
Get board
Paddle board back to 5th line
Release 5th from rock, craypot buoy or similar
Collect kite
Self rescue in
Easy.

On a 4 line just hook the chicken loop round a rock, craypot buoy or similar

Do i win a prize?


You are a survivor, PR.
There is another method as well.

*More on that later.



Connecting a flagged kite to a craypot float is perfectly ok. ^^^
I know cause I've done it.
The float doesn't get pulled underwater, it floats.
Funny that.
The PR method is kosher because I've proved it up.
PR wins a prize.
And for the record....
If your board is a 'magic' board, it's imperative that you must save it.

* The other method to come.

Carry on.


Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
31 Mar 2009 4:58pm
If the kiter was you 'slave, I would suggest sink to the bottom and run to shore.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
31 Mar 2009 2:38pm
I wait with baited breath.

This cray pot therory

Because im betting its not caught in a hole ,so the pot gets reefed out, as the kite goes spastic whilst trying re launching on the top of this 15 foot swell ,before rolling over on itself whilst dragging the pot along the sandy bottom.

The next set is a monster 15 to 20 feet ,,,,,,, your way inside and your kite gets completly mowed down ,like when a lawn mower runs over a warm front lawn steamer.The kite DROPS IN REVS before one last blast offffff half the size.

Lighting up like the challanger disaster before returning to earth, to explode like a puffer fish i love to tread on at the jetty.


Now where is my board
Where is the beach

Slayer with over 30 plus years, being the innovator of equipment to carve da ocean apart , tell me how your getting out of this one .
Like a cat throwen in to a pool

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
31 Mar 2009 3:46pm
RayQ said...

Sounds like BS Slave, theres not always a craypot around to latch on to while you go for a swim.

sounds like a typical Wave Slave BS story again.


This is correct Ray. ^^^
That's why you need a Plan B if there is no pot handy.
All will be revealed later.

* Self-preservation in the surf.....
it's not about ruling the waves, it's about waiving the rules.

laurie
laurie
QLD
3902 posts
QLD, 3902 posts
31 Mar 2009 5:59pm
Can't resist.

If it's a solo session, you swim to your tinny (that you hot launched from), pull anchor, start the outboard and pick up your bits.
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