kting in the waves - what do you to know or learn

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brucex
brucex
QLD
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20 May 2007 12:33pm
I am currentlly working with ben wilson to develop a wave riding clinic which will be run in most major kite areas around the country.
We would like to make sure the content of the clinics covers what new riders to the surf want to learn.

Please post your questions here to help us develop a clinic that meets the needs of new wave riders.

Stay tuned on these forums to see more info on this clinic later in the year.
Thanks Bruce
taxi
taxi
QLD
416 posts
QLD, 416 posts
20 May 2007 2:46pm
Hooked or unhook
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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WA, 3464 posts
20 May 2007 1:20pm
Yea, I think such a course is a good idea, especially as it pertains to waves. The complexity and choice of what to do in the ocean is exciting. I certainly would benefit from being explained what to do when surveying the surf, wind etc. and then being shown some "moves."

When in a group, the learning goes up even faster.

Learning by trial and error is really the hard way.

I never learned how to surf (too hard) and have tremendous respect for what it takes. I will never stand on a board without a kite and have no desire to learn. However, having someone with years of surf and kite experience giving you some tips would be mint.....
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
20 May 2007 3:56pm
I hate to point out the obvious. But reading waves and timing would be key. Especially for the kiters that don't surf.

When are you going to decide on dates and times i'd be interested.
Garth
Garth
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
20 May 2007 2:35pm
Possibly teach rules and priority wave riding etiquette. There are some wave riders with blatent disregard for other kite surfers wanting to ride waves also.Teach of the right of way rules.
Just my two cents worth! Happy kiting!!
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
20 May 2007 4:39pm
brucex; great idea. i reckon learning how and when to gybe should be a big focus
rooey; you need to lighten up a bit
brucex
brucex
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
20 May 2007 6:29pm
thanks for the positive feedback i think the surf rules are a great idea.....
as far as dates will be around nov / dec for the australian summer

keep the poins or questions coming
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
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20 May 2007 6:58pm
How much, how long, where in Vic.

Just wanna be able to do it better, never had a lot of time or experience in the ocean/surf, first time riding a wave was when i towed myself onto one (with my kite) in november last year (shortly after i started).

Thanks
maramu
maramu
SA
28 posts
SA, 28 posts
20 May 2007 7:58pm
getting out through waves unstrapped, and doing big powerful turns without getting pulled off you board by your kite
orsmboost
orsmboost
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
20 May 2007 7:39pm
Coolest idea for a long time!
Would be great to find out from the pros what size kite to use in different wind conditions, how to send the kite correctly and when to do it, most effective way to gibe on a board, difference between riding hooked in or unhooked in waves, ahhhh the list could be quite comprehensive......No?
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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21 May 2007 2:55pm
Also maybe an understanding of wind direction versus wave direction, and how riding out a wave the wrong way can leave your kite powerless - fall outta the sky and get EATEN by the waves!
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
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21 May 2007 12:59pm
is this for real? what a f#ckin joke. waveriding is a joke. go to a learn to surf clinic you might learn how to do a roundhouse or not drag your arse through the water down the line, who knows you might even get barrelled (properly).
p.s. is it seriously that hard to kite in the surf that you need someone to tell you how to do it? just ask someone at your beach or who knows maybe you could ask someone on the forum if your having trouble.
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
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21 May 2007 1:24pm
quote:
How a fkin doona riding fag can win the national wave comp???????


Could be that is farkin good and maybe he went to a riding clinic.

Anybody who says "how hard can it be" needs to go out in 35kn+ in head high waves unstrapped and see for themselves.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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21 May 2007 1:39pm
i have. and it is farkin stupid and looks like a joke. i was talking about how hard is learning the basics. so no need to get on your high horse germ.
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
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21 May 2007 2:33pm
woah there! my post wasn't directed as an insult, apologies if thats how it came across. I would expect the clinic to offer different levels and not just to be aimed at the basics.

waveriding in easy conditions brings on bad habits. I had been kiting in surf for a few months and thought i could do it. then came along a testing day and i got smashed.

A day or two learning from an expert would have made a huge difference. Things like how to jibe when a wave has just broken in front of you would have come in handy, it still would.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
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21 May 2007 4:36pm
Pretty durn keen moiself.

This season I started tooling around in the little waist high sets etc but am very keen to get it on in bigger stuff.

Clueing into what's happening to the kite when riding the wave is a bit weird at 1st.

Any tips for twintip riders or just big arsed surfboards?

I ride a 136 and to quote from Borat "I like eetalot" but when dropping into the face of a wave, I tend to try to put the kite in neutral and ride the wave, but after the intial drop I just don't have enough planing happening so have to hoik on the kite again. Maybe a 145+ TT is the go here?

Then again maybe I am just unco?
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
21 May 2007 5:07pm
Like that trip lots, but too far and too short for me. I would like a week at least; and if I'm going to travel across the continent then 10 days is a minimum.

I would think 1 price class better.
barry boosta
barry boosta
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
22 May 2007 7:51pm
how to ride drop knee.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
22 May 2007 6:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by brucex

I am currentlly working with ben wilson to develop a wave riding clinic which will be run in most major kite areas around the country.
We would like to make sure the content of the clinics covers what new riders to the surf want to learn.

Please post your questions here to help us develop a clinic that meets the needs of new wave riders.

Stay tuned on these forums to see more info on this clinic later in the year.
Thanks Bruce



lol.
I would be horrified to see a 'wave-riding kite clinic' arrive on mass on my doorstep.
I'd feel like slamming the back-door in their face.
F.u.c.k-off dudes, the pointbreak is full.
We don't need any more friends.
lol.
It seems the wavekiting noob-school has just been invented.
Sometimes I wonder how the crew and I ever learnt to kite waves without a guru holding our hands.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
22 May 2007 9:18pm
Here's what I learnt the hard way: if the wave is big, and it looks like it is going to hurt, then it usually does... :-P

Oh yeah that applies to both the kiter and the kite :-(

quote:
Originally posted by barry boosta

how to ride drop knee.



Sweet - my favourite is hanging five - try that on a 135 TT in the waves...
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
22 May 2007 8:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by brucex
I am currentlly working with ben wilson to develop a wave riding clinic



Tell me Ben Wilson,
How is brucex going to help you teach kiting,
when he can't even spell the word 'kting' ? (See topic title)
lol.
And (again read topic title),
'what do you to know or learn' ??
I believe a 'need' is needed somewhere in that drunken sentence.

I only clicked on to this thread cause I saw the word 'wave' in a dumb title that didn't make any sense.
Curiosity just got the better of me.
But after reading your initial post,
it's crystal clear what you are attempting to do.
Basically......sell kites and shooters to newbies.
zooba
zooba
NSW
17 posts
NSW, 17 posts
23 May 2007 1:10am
quote:
Originally posted by barry boosta

how to ride drop knee.

wow you kiting a boogie board? have you got the churchill flippers like albert used to have as well
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
22 May 2007 11:31pm
Now Slave, half the world's population hasn't used a phone, earn less than $2/day and are lucky to get the average daily protein of the domestic cat and you are going to get agro about more people on the water..........chill.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
23 May 2007 1:45am
Slave,
You should be a very angry man.
What with you? We have soooo many km of beaches around Australia. What's your problem with clinics ands schools and PL kites and.....? Why should you be against everything ever was rised here in the forum?
Sometimes I find your contributions funny, interesting, on the verge of burlesque and few of them .......
However on this thread you went over the limit according with my books
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
23 May 2007 11:51am
?
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
23 May 2007 10:14am
slave is the greatest. All hail the one who can spell and write poetry. How was the poetry clinic then?
jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
23 May 2007 2:41pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
Originally posted by brucex
I am currentlly working with ben wilson to develop a wave riding clinic



Tell me Ben Wilson,
How is brucex going to help you teach kiting,
when he can't even spell the word 'kting' ? (See topic title)
lol.
And (again read topic title),
'what do you to know or learn' ??
I believe a 'need' is needed somewhere in that drunken sentence.

I only clicked on to this thread cause I saw the word 'wave' in a dumb title that didn't make any sense.
Curiosity just got the better of me.
But after reading your initial post,
it's crystal clear what you are attempting to do.
Basically......sell kites and shooters to newbies.



"shooters"
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
23 May 2007 4:00pm
Shooters.

Surfboards.

For "shooting the waves and hanging five,man"

If you dont know anything about surfing and cant surf .then dont try and kite in the surf !

Go learn to surf,learn the rules and pay your dues,then take a kite out.

Anybody that needs kite in the surf lessons should not be out there !
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
23 May 2007 4:17pm
jjd,
To avoid confusion with regards to wavekiting vehicles;
I like to describe wavekiting 'surfboards' as shooters.
(Twin-tips can be either freestyle or surfie).
Surfboards were once categorized as follows;
Shooters = 6'ish and under.
Guns = 7'ish and over.
Rhino-chasers = 8'ish and over.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
23 May 2007 4:32pm
A "shooter " is a guy with a gun and if you are unlucky enough to be sitting in front of your PC with flea infested bear suit on , the slug will come straight out of the screen and hit you square between the eyes
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
23 May 2007 7:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by user

Shooters.

Surfboards.

For "shooting the waves and hanging five,man"

If you dont know anything about surfing and cant surf .then dont try and kite in the surf !

Go learn to surf,learn the rules and pay your dues,then take a kite out.

Anybody that needs kite in the surf lessons should not be out there !



This is bull.
Anyboddy should be able to learn wave kitesurfing, without knowing to surf a surfboard.
Do not start now the story with the hen and the egg.

There eare some fortunate in between us, which have the surfing experience.
Good on them.
There are others, which don't have this experience.
So what, this can be learned ands "jump" the pain of learning surfing a flimsy surfboard.
This is how you see it, even though I will never try to wave kitesurf, it is too.... much for me: I will need a very long board.
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