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CODY
CODY
WA
56 posts
WA, 56 posts
17 Feb 2005 8:40pm
walked away from my second lesson today feeling like i didnt get anything out of it.
The reason being i was given a kite that didnt like self launching , and i probably spent 30 minutes in the water total and most of it was trying to do just that ...dont really feel like i got my moneys worth.
bugger lesson no 3 ill just get out there and learn the hard way i think !!
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
17 Feb 2005 11:26pm

where are you kiting?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
17 Feb 2005 10:50pm
Hey Cody,

Maybe you just need a good instructor with the right gear. Your second lesson is usually the most fun and progressive one after having done the hard slog in the first lesson.

Don't give up on lessons, maybe you need to be taught by someone with more experience and the right technology and up-to-date methods. A good instructor can be a source of invaluable help and a certain shortcut through an otherwise fairly lengthy and potentially hazardous learning curve.

Send me an email.

Good winds and Peace
Surgeon
Surgeon
NSW
134 posts
NSW, 134 posts
18 Feb 2005 10:14am
I agree with Kitehard do some research on the instructors and their gear and find an instructor that works for you. A beginner who hires himself as an intructor has a fool for a client
quixand
quixand
WA
76 posts
WA, 76 posts
18 Feb 2005 11:12am
Just a point - if you're having problems launching after a crash, try and find someone teaching who uses flysurfers. Couldn't be easier to relaunch.

No sales pitch, just personal opinion. I still fly them. And love them.

If you're in WA check out Ian Young I know he uses them.

Safe yourself the heartache and difficulty (not to mention damage to your gear), keep going with the lessons.

Good luck!

A
steve
steve
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
18 Feb 2005 12:17pm

quixand's right!

steve
DevilFish
DevilFish
WA
19 posts
WA, 19 posts
18 Feb 2005 2:24pm
Dont fly foils they sink.....

I wouldnt bother with any lessons either, i didnt get any and im now landing kiteloops after 3 weeks....
Surgeon
Surgeon
NSW
134 posts
NSW, 134 posts
18 Feb 2005 6:33pm
Foils don't fly - you wraps ya fishes in'm and throw'm on the barby.
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
19 Feb 2005 9:54am
DevilFish I'm concerned we'll soon be reading your obituary column.

Flysurfers are excellent for learning and I also still fly mine. Relaunching can be done within seconds and so I have no fear of dropping it into the water at any stage. Great for learning.

I would strong recommend you stick to the lessons.
Graeme
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
19 Feb 2005 2:33pm
If Foils are so wonderful, why is it that the majority of kitesurfers choose to use Inflatables??
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
19 Feb 2005 3:13pm
Waveslave, if you asked me it has more to do with marketing than anything else plus lies that still persist about foils sinking, etc - you'd have to ask people like DevilFish why they still try and spread such bull@$#$%? I don't understand why people bag stuff out that they have little or no experience in - especially when it simply isn't true. I don't bag out LEI - I just find flying FlySurfers a much more enjoyable experience.

When the sport first started poor relaunchability was true for people using 2-line or foils NOT designed for the water - that was five years ago! The ease and speed of water-relaunching is actually one of many areas where FlySurfer's have significantly superior performance than LEI - that's one of the main reasons I teach with them and how I came to import them!

Companies like FlySurfer are paraglider manufacturers - experts at aerodynamics but have difficulty in penetrating retail distribution networks dominated by windsurfing companies that already had distribution networks in place before the sport even started. Bit like Beta vs VHS video tape recorders - luckily the wind doesn't care what kite you're flying

Of course wherever you go now you see more LEI than foils and it breeds on itself together with the safety in numbers heard mentality and the importance of looking cool at the expense of any facts getting in the way of a good story.

See LEI vs Foil on the FAQ sticky post for all the other FACTS or see for yourself and come down to the BBQ @ Scarbs next Sunday
Rod
Rod
WA
102 posts
Rod Rod
WA, 102 posts
19 Feb 2005 6:13pm
I ride PL Arcs/foils and also get sick of people bagging em who have never ridden one. Yeah the older Geurilla 1 that I have is a bit slow in marginal winds but once lit cruises with really smooth power/depower lift and float. The arcs generally are really stable and predictable kites and don't just fly off into the power zone the second you take your eye of it and haul your arse down the beach or wherever. The newer phantoms and venoms are heaps faster and turn/fly almost as fast as LEIs if not as fast as some mid aspect LEIs.

FYI I started learning on LEIS and had a crap time, spent most my time with the kite upside down on the water after it luffed and crashed and unable to relaunch the B&@#$&*, sound familiar. I changed over to PL Arcs and my learning and fun curve went through the roof, they don't luff and rarely crash. I reckon I never went back to LEIs for the same reason most people ride LEIs, people tend to stick with what they know and most instructors teach with LEIs.

Anyway next time you see my red and white sleeping bag in the air and you you fancy a run just ask and its all yours, then you can bag it;-) If you can ride an LEI you should be ok, they are the same 4 line set up as any LEI
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