line knife, have you got one

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cauncy
cauncy
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25 Oct 2012 8:43pm
hey, just a reminder check your line knifes in working order or make sure you have one, dont think your good enough not to warrant one , some highly skilled kiters died last season through not having a knife which possibly could of saved them, stay safe and good winds
Underoath
Underoath
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25 Oct 2012 10:57pm
I have one, I check it often.

In the back of my mind I question it's effectiveness in an emergency.

Suppose it's better to have one. For 15 dollars it's very cheap insurance.
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
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25 Oct 2012 9:02pm
I do, and I check grabbing it before going out every time.

Any thoughts on how you check it is still sharp etc, without actually cutting your kite away! ?

Maybe need to setup some sort of jig with spare lines to try it on
shodan
shodan
WA
60 posts
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25 Oct 2012 11:35pm
Dave Whettingsteel said...
I do, and I check grabbing it before going out every time.

Any thoughts on how you check it is still sharp etc, without actually cutting your kite away! ?

Maybe need to setup some sort of jig with spare lines to try it on


On somebody else's kite maybe?
tightlines
tightlines
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3510 posts
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26 Oct 2012 12:16am
shodan said...
Dave Whettingsteel said...
I do, and I check grabbing it before going out every time.

Any thoughts on how you check it is still sharp etc, without actually cutting your kite away! ?

Maybe need to setup some sort of jig with spare lines to try it on


On somebody else's kite maybe?


Thats what I did, but his lines were wrapped around my arm and the kite was looping like crazy at the time, it worked and I always have a line knife within easy reach.
Gippy13
Gippy13
VIC
119 posts
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26 Oct 2012 8:55am
got into trouble last week when my kite went down in 7ft surf, got my lines wrapped round my waist- and the kite was pulling me under. If I didn't have anything to kite my lines I probably would have drowned. then it also took me half an hour to swim in. Lesson learnt, hook knives save lives, and never kite alone when the conditions are unforgiving
bumstein
bumstein
WA
108 posts
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26 Oct 2012 9:39am
I'm not a well seasoned kiter.. So excuse me if this seems silly, but don't all harnesses have a line cutter built in? I thought it must have been standard kit.

Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
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26 Oct 2012 1:29pm
Dave Whettingsteel said...
I do, and I check grabbing it before going out every time.

Any thoughts on how you check it is still sharp etc, without actually cutting your kite away! ?

Maybe need to setup some sort of jig with spare lines to try it on


You could try stabbing members of Cambridge and Stirling councils [}:)]
acitta
acitta
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26 Oct 2012 2:33pm
bumstein said...
I'm not a well seasoned kiter.. So excuse me if this seems silly, but don't all harnesses have a line cutter built in? I thought it must have been standard kit.




Mine doesn't and I don't have one (never gave it a thought). Thanks for the post Cauncy! I'll pick one up ASAP.
JBFletch
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26 Oct 2012 1:36pm
would have to be in serious trouble to consider cutting lines.

i have a knife, in my harness, and so far havent needed it.
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
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26 Oct 2012 3:20pm
bumstein said...
I'm not a well seasoned kiter.. So excuse me if this seems silly, but don't all harnesses have a line cutter built in? I thought it must have been standard kit.




Old harnesses used to have a number of features - including a line cutting knife built in (external pouch on the back) - convenient rings to attach bits to - and a handle to grab (on the back).
The handle pass feature removed most of the external none essential bits as likely to get snagged doing handle passes.

Last 4 harness I have bought - no knife - first 2 had a knife - not sure where I would attach one now (Where do U stash a knife these days? Do you stitch a new pouch on?)- must re-visit this as reckon it is a good idea.

Cheers
AP
RPM
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26 Oct 2012 1:35pm
JBFletch said...
would have to be in serious trouble to consider cutting lines.


I'm prepared to do what I need to do.. If it happens and it's through stupidity of Tommy Teuro then self preservation rules.

If you have ever seen 2 angry tangled kites in 25-30knots dragging riders backwards underwater you will understand my sentiments.
JBFletch
JBFletch
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26 Oct 2012 4:13pm
i have,

if its 25-30 knots, stay away from those kind of people.

totally need it tho, if you end up-up the beach in the fence.
Knickers
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26 Oct 2012 3:17pm
AquaPlow said...
- not sure where I would attach one now (Where do U stash a knife these days? Do you stitch a new pouch on?)- must re-visit this as reckon it is a good idea.

Cheers
AP


I bought a line knife with a wrist strap that came in a pouch. I made a velcro strap for my forearm, and kite with the knife ready to pull out of the pouch already on my wrist (not all sessions, but when I think there is a risk). If its in your harness I reckon you wont be able to get to it in a hurry (if you even still have the harness on), if its flapping around it might cause tangles/inadvertantly cut things.
oceanfire
oceanfire
WA
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26 Oct 2012 3:32pm
Wisdom received from the Seabreeze education forums led me to buying a line knife some time ago.

The one I bought (Dakine) is in a pouch that has a belt loop on the back which seems to be made for fitting to the harness strap.
So I wear it on the strap right next to the hook that connects to the spreader bar.
bumstein
bumstein
WA
108 posts
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26 Oct 2012 4:31pm
AquaPlow said...
bumstein said...
I'm not a well seasoned kiter.. So excuse me if this seems silly, but don't all harnesses have a line cutter built in? I thought it must have been standard kit.




(Where do U stash a knife these days? Do you stitch a new pouch on?)- must re-visit this as reckon it is a good idea.

Cheers
AP


I've got an Ion Harness and there is a pocket on the spreader bar, just underneath the hook. The line cutter is neatly tucked in and held by velcro, ready to tug a tab and start cutting..
bumstein
bumstein
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26 Oct 2012 4:35pm



I'm hoping this can be seen, but where you have the wee white arrow on the underside of the spreader bar, tug that and **presto** one has a cutter
pomE
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NSW
164 posts
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26 Oct 2012 10:01pm
I also thought most harnesses these days came with line cutters?

I also have the ION harness as above, as well as the ION B2's and both have the line cutter as shown.

My old Mystic harness also had a line cutter tucked into the side of the harness as per the ION.
7tim
7tim
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26 Oct 2012 10:33pm
Out of all the stupid situations I've gotten myself into, I've never thought to myself "hmm, a line cutter would be handy right about now..."
cauncy
cauncy
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26 Oct 2012 8:28pm
7tim said...
Out of all the stupid situations I've gotten myself into, I've never thought to myself "hmm, a line cutter would be handy right about now..."


When its wrapped around your neck like the poor bloke kiting at south coranations, I think that it would
Andrash
Andrash
WA
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28 Oct 2012 1:08pm
7tim said...
Out of all the stupid situations I've gotten myself into, I've never thought to myself "hmm, a line cutter would be handy right about now..."


The only time when you think "hmm, a fire extinguisher would be handy right about now..." is when your house is burning.

I had two occasions (long years ago) when I thought a cutter (that I did not have) would be handy.... and I see myself damn lucky to be alive and able to write about it now...
I never needed the thing ever since... yet, I would feel a bit uneasy to go out without it...
Gorgo
Gorgo
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14 Nov 2012 3:29pm
I have one and used it once. When a line wrapped around my foot in a 50+ knot squall then I chose to not wait around to see how it ends.

One quick ping with the hook knife and the kite is gone. Once free it depowered and sat safely on the water so I could run up and grab it.

In retrospect I should have just completely released in the first place. The beach was huge and deserted and in the country so there was no risk to people or property downwind.
ceej
ceej
QLD
30 posts
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14 Nov 2012 5:35pm
I got trapped the other day in some fishing nets about 100m off shore. The net was anchored and the kite was being blown across the water. I was pulled between the two which left me about 1 ft under water.

I guess I was only under for three seconds wishing I was ontop of the water.

I couldnt unhook, or release the safety due to the pressure on the kite and the fishing gear on my bar and harness.

It was only a few seconds and I thought I was history.

The kite collapsed after a couple of minutes which took enough pressure of the kite for me to unhook but not after it powered up a couple of times and pulled me under a couple of times again.

I m a beginner and I guess in hind sight, I should have had a knife and or undone my harness which I didnt think of at the time.

Ive started to mentally rehearse things a bit better now including escaping from my harness. I bought a knife that day.

cheers
Paul1
Paul1
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1011 posts
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14 Nov 2012 6:03pm
Nice timing for this topic, I was kiting on Sunday in 30-40knot winds and was getting some pretty decent air, after being out for 15 minutes I thought it was time to get cocky and start throwing down some loops. First attempt I got super high and threw down the loop, I somehow got put out of shape and found myself swinging downwind of the kite, I thought no worries I will chuck in another loop or 2 to fix things up, how wrong I could have been. I then got even more out of shape, came down through my lines and the kite landed after me, it then fully powered up and started death looping, the bar was completely between my legs and the lines were wrapped all around my legs and tightening rapidly whilst getting dragged backwards underwater. I released my IDS line which is similar to a fifth, but nothing released, as the lines were so twisted up around me the kite was still looping and dragging me backwards underwater, fortunately for me the wind eased for a second or two and I managed to ease the bar from between my legs and completely release the kite from my chicken loop and get free of the lines. If the wind had not eased I would have grabbed my knife for sure, haven't had a kitemare like that for years, it was a serious wake up call....
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
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14 Nov 2012 6:27pm
Paul1 said...
Nice timing for this topic, I was kiting on Sunday in 30-40knot winds and was getting some pretty decent air, after being out for 15 minutes I thought it was time to get cocky and start throwing down some loops. First attempt I got super high and threw down the loop, I somehow got put out of shape and found myself swinging downwind of the kite, I thought no worries I will chuck in another loop or 2 to fix things up, how wrong I could have been. I then got even more out of shape, came down through my lines and the kite landed after me, it then fully powered up and started death looping, the bar was completely between my legs and the lines were wrapped all around my legs and tightening rapidly whilst getting dragged backwards underwater. I released my IDS line which is similar to a fifth, but nothing released, as the lines were so twisted up around me the kite was still looping and dragging me backwards underwater, fortunately for me the wind eased for a second or two and I managed to ease the bar from between my legs and completely release the kite from my chicken loop and get free of the lines. If the wind had not eased I would have grabbed my knife for sure, haven't had a kitemare like that for years, it was a serious wake up call....


me being new to kiting you're taught about it all during kite lessons but its still a scary thought thinking that you might have to use it, not really something you can train for...

still handy bit of kit tho
Paul1
Paul1
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1011 posts
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14 Nov 2012 8:44pm
Yep. sure is, I was hungover and forgot for a few seconds where each safety was, it's all well worth practicing, as those few seconds could have turned to sh1t real quick......
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