losing kite power as i cut upwind

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dymo
dymo
WA
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WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 12:23am
I was demoing a kite today, 5 line sle, and often found the kite would lose power unless i was working it, even though the wind was very strong. This happened particularly when i would try to cut upwind to a level that on my previous kite would have not been an issue. Could this be because the kite is too fast and is flying to the edge of the window as i effectively slow down??

Previously I always found that my kite was powered as i cut more and more upwind but eventually i would stop moving due to the opposite push i was creating with the board.

When I was just sailing along the kite would be good, but if i parked it for a while it I would find that the kite would again lose power, and I would have to get it moving to get any back. The wind was gusting today but not enough to cause this.

The 5th line was not hanging baggy and loose but it wasn't tight and pulling on the kite either

Hope this makes sense to someone, any ideas?? I may be missing something pretty obvious.


Many thanks,

Finzee
Finzee
11 posts
11 posts
19 Sep 2007 7:02am
Hard question to answer with out more info, How heavy are you ,what size board were you on ,what type of kite,what size kite, line length on the kite & what is your skill level.
Maximum
Maximum
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
19 Sep 2007 8:38am
Always have a picture of steve glued to your bar

Its probably just the kite and you slowing it down too much by cutting upwind too hard but get a pic of steve it helps me.

Imax
sandman
sandman
WA
432 posts
WA, 432 posts
19 Sep 2007 9:42am
was the old kite lower aspect than the new one? I dont know if it makes so much of a difference now but lower aspects have more grunt at the edge of the window. Back in the day when kites were high or low aspect to the extreme it did.

James
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
19 Sep 2007 9:52am
Thats normal.
The kite has almost no projected area on the edge of the wind window.
You need to catch up with it.
The kite could be trimmed up for efficiency when at planing speed.
Maybe a faster board is the solution, a couple of sine waves and she be right.
dymo
dymo
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 10:18am
OK it sounds like it isnt a major fault with the kite, maybe just the way the kite is trimmed. I will ask what is probably a stupid question, how can i trim the kite so it does not do this? or is it just a case of altering my riding style??

The board is a 130, I am 95kgs, 25m lines, I am an intermediate rider.

cheers for all the advice,

Maximum is there a particular technique for rigging the picture of steve to your bar?
Finzee
Finzee
11 posts
11 posts
19 Sep 2007 10:36am
130 board is problibly the bottom end for 95 kilo's. So you were problibly sandbgging a bit. It is unlikely there is anything wrong with the kite set up as all the new kites these days are pretty good straight out of the bag. Very rare you need to change anything. Hybreds and bows like to fly foward in the window and at speed a little bit of trim will improve the upwind. Check you have the sweet spot at comfortable arms length and are edging correctly if your board is to small you can end up with the problem you described. Can't comment on C kites. Get some one to watch you and see if your stance is good. You also need to keep adjusting your position in gusting conditions in order to keep board speed up. So just parking the kite and expecting to go up wind won't always work. You must be fairly powered up on your old kite so this is not a problem.
dymo
dymo
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 10:42am
have always been told my stance is good, could be the board, I was pretty frustrated with it yesterday. Felt too small with not enough flex. Need some more wind to get too the bottom of this.
Finzee
Finzee
11 posts
11 posts
19 Sep 2007 10:51am
A bigger board will make a huge difference then. Being a fuller figure kiter myself, I feel qualified to comment. Recently tried a nobile 555 145x41 wicked board in all conditions low and high wind this board rocks.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
19 Sep 2007 11:08am
Hey Dymo,

It sounds to me like your old kite sat a little further back in the wind window than the new one you were testing.

Most likely the problem is that you aren't used to a kite that flies a bit faster and hunts to the edge of the wind window when you tension the lines. 5th line kites with too much tension on the 5th will feel really gutless and will do what you are talking about as can kites with a small diameter leading edge and a sleek wing profile.

If you want to continue with the new kite, check to see that you are trimmed right (this will take the eye of a seasoned kiter to check for you) and if it is OK. You may have to adjust your riding style to gain the most out of the new kite.

The new Airush Vapor is like this. Very little static pull, but once you start riding faster it has enourmous power. It is designed to be flown fast which requires you to ride at higher speeds than you are used to.

Just ease off your heel pressure, let the board build up speed a bit and if the power returns, there's your answer.

If you like to ride slow with plenty of power at lower speeds, then you may need to try another kite, one with a more generous wing profile, larger leading edge and lower aspect ratio.

I hope this helps, if not, give me a call or a PM and I will discuss it with you and try and sort you out.

Cheers and good winds,

dymo
dymo
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 11:12am
yeah i would like to try the nobile boards. I normally ride a 07 flx 138. I think it is a brilliant board, BUT...... a bit expensive, as is the nobile. We talk about kites being a rip off, isn't paying in excess of 1000 dollars for a board a much!
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
19 Sep 2007 1:50pm
130cm isnt a problem realy, its the width and rocker that make a board fast and easy planing, Im 95 kgs aswell on 130cm, and have been making my own boards for years, as there wernt any out there that I liked until now, and I dont just mean the ones Im promoting. All manufactures seem to be going for the wider boards now, with flex, but as a larger bloke , you dont want too much flex, unless your riding waves, or gotto ride in choppy conditions, as the flex will change the rocker line to a slower board. Its a tough one, try out different brands, but go for the wider ones 39cm - 41cm
Price wise there are real alternatives aswell by at least $300-$400 new and complete
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
19 Sep 2007 2:03pm
Hey ray

When can we demo the Coronation boards and what price will we be looking at?
It would be good if you could have a few demos at the WAKSA downwinder/? upwinder!
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
19 Sep 2007 2:41pm
Thanks Luis
As Im doing all the work myself to keep cost down, things are taking too long, including my cheap looking website, but the first complete boards will be available for testing in about a week - 10 days, all in stock. Joerg even gave me a few of the limited edition straps, one set with black/white fake fur and another set with pink latex, of which he sold a set to Holland, hes got a feeling they may not end up on a kite board. Not every ones thing I guess. Some of the stuff only just came out the factory a few days ago, it was worth the wait, these guys are realy busy making pads and straps for Nobile and Crazy fly,
Just pimping a little bit here
bellz
bellz
WA
572 posts
WA, 572 posts
19 Sep 2007 7:49pm
hey dymo was that u out at pinaroo on tuesday??
dymo
dymo
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 8:49pm
yeah, fraid so, were you on the best? Guess you know which kite i am on about then.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
19 Sep 2007 9:08pm
yeah if its the demo vapor im thinking about the 5th line is a bit tight on it. could do with being a bit slacker for some more poke.

also if its gusty as u say the kite will surge forward in the gusts, when the lull comes u will lose a heap of power.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
19 Sep 2007 9:21pm
Here you go.
A rigging tip

seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6116
Maximum
Maximum
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
19 Sep 2007 9:53pm
quote:
Originally posted by dymo

OK it sounds like it isnt a major fault with the kite, maybe just the way the kite is trimmed. I will ask what is probably a stupid question, how can i trim the kite so it does not do this? or is it just a case of altering my riding style??

The board is a 130, I am 95kgs, 25m lines, I am an intermediate rider.

cheers for all the advice,

Maximum is there a particular technique for rigging the picture of steve to your bar?



Just make sure you keep your board speed up mate, if you notice you are slowing down ease up on the presseur to pint upwind like pint a bit less upwind

Always rig a pic of steve with a garrot aroujnd the neck and another around his nads makes me happy to see him like this and i kite bette rfor it

Imax
dymo
dymo
WA
39 posts
WA, 39 posts
19 Sep 2007 10:41pm
cheers for the feedback, a garrotte eh! lol
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