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havox
havox
WA
148 posts
havox havox
WA, 148 posts
7 Sep 2007 11:16am
ok two quick questions

1) the kite stays still for a railey yeh? cus when ever i do one i just do a pop jump but my kite seems to always go up above me head liek anormal jump do i pull left to keep the kite at 45 degrees?

2) unhooked back roll kite loop is a kite assiste jump? or do it park the kite pop roll then pull for the kite loop.. i just seem to be rotating a bit much
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
echostorm echostorm
QLD, 1245 posts
7 Sep 2007 1:58pm
1) A "true" railey wakestyle means you are unhooked and keeping the kite in place. I need to know whether u r riding switch or natural to know left and right. When i do one i fly the kite level and as I load it just b4 i pop i angle the direction of the kite up a little (your not doing a boost just turn it up a couple of degrees). This seems to tighten the load and give you bigger boosts.

2) If you are rotating too much you need to straighten your legs a little in the rotation eariler on. I found letting go with one hand also slows the rotation a little. The key to the rotation is the pop, knowing how much to pop. If you dont pop enough bend your body as much as possible to assist the rotation. You can do this move completely kite unassisted. If you want to do doubles or triples or more then use the kite to aid the pop.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
sunseeker sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
7 Sep 2007 2:21pm
2) For the unhooked back roll kite loop, it's one fluid motion with the kite from raising the kite continuing into the loop. It's just a matter of timing as to when you throw back into the roll and when you release the roll to stop over rotating. If you are hitting a small wave before the roll, it can be very hard not to over rotate.
havox
havox
WA
148 posts
havox havox
WA, 148 posts
7 Sep 2007 12:53pm
natural.. switch is still al problem cant "pop" as well as i can natural .. but i can jump bigger on switch go figure. and yeh im unjooked doesnt count hooked in :)

tell me if this is right. but when i do a back roll kite loop i load up normal kite assist jump kind of half rotate then at the top of the jump pull hard righ, riding nat, and the kiteloop seems to keep the rotation going.. if landed a few if i get the timing right.. it seems to be much harder though the bigger i go. is that whats better more hight or just a faster wake style jump?
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
jev7337 jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
7 Sep 2007 3:23pm
Can I claim it a railey if I'm hooked or would it be something different?

havox
havox
WA
148 posts
havox havox
WA, 148 posts
7 Sep 2007 1:45pm
nah bro as far as i know a "railey" has to be unhooked dont know if it has a name if your hooked in .. i heard someone say a gailey .. but i think he was taking the piss
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
7 Sep 2007 3:20pm
Keep the kite down low and dont angle it up, come in with heaps of speed like your about to blow up and edge as hard as u can then release at the optimum moment. Raileys are about speed and power. Don't use the kite and don't do them hooked in.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
jev7337 jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
7 Sep 2007 3:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by havox

nah bro as far as i know a "railey" has to be unhooked dont know if it has a name if your hooked in .. i heard someone say a gailey .. but i think he was taking the piss


...hmm, I better learn to do it unhooked.
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
fozzy fozzy
SA, 501 posts
7 Sep 2007 6:33pm
If you feel yourself starting to get lofted in the middle of the raley it's possible to make an adjustment and just pull on the bar with your front hand to get the kite back to 45. Sometimes if you are really going for it you may inadvertently pull on the back hand sending the kite, do the above to rectify and it won't stuff your raley. Also, keep your hands well centred on the bar to reduce the liklihood of sending the kite.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
7 Sep 2007 11:58pm
Don't move the kite at all or you wil just learn to tdo it the bad way, learn to pop.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
carbine carbine
WA, 1450 posts
7 Sep 2007 10:29pm
send the kite up a bit and u will get extra height that will add big points!
Mrwandaful
Mrwandaful
NSW
186 posts
Mrwandaful Mrwandaful
NSW, 186 posts
8 Sep 2007 1:09am
Jev the hooked in railey is known around here as the gayly.
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
sorse sorse
NSW, 509 posts
8 Sep 2007 11:03am
Raley's don't need alot of speed as it is actually harder to pop if your really going fast. It's all about loading your edge and releasing it. If you watch most of the good guys ride you can tell when there going to do a trick as you'll see them let there arms out slightly pull there body away and then cut pull super hard against the kite and release. you can do it with the kite parked anywhere from 20 degrees up till about 70, having the kite lower is about style.. If you have the kite above 45 your kite will climb when your in the air and you'll start to pendulum under, to stop this when you go into the air start to pull your front hand in tis keeps the kite level or will even bring it down slightly..
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
Charl dv Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
8 Sep 2007 12:40pm
while i was on holiday i was looking for cable parks and on one of the websites i found a interesting article about 2 riders getting their speed measured during a raily.

the results were that if you go in fast, and ur edge and release is fast u get a lower but faster and more intence raily.

if u progressively build your edge and release a bit later then you get alot more height.

after reading that i tried edging up slower to get more height and it works quite well, but if u want fast n hard railies edge n pop faster
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
jev7337 jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
8 Sep 2007 5:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by Mrwandaful

Jev the hooked in railey is known around here as the gayly.


Enough said, there should be wind tomorrow and I'll try it unhooked, shouldn't be too hard.
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
manicskier manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
8 Sep 2007 8:36pm
Are you going out tomorrow Jev?

blair bear
blair bear
12 posts
blair bear blair bear
12 posts
9 Sep 2007 4:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

send the kite up a bit and u will get extra height that will add big points!


no no no!, never send the kite! u will LOSE style points if u sned it and u will just pendulum under it, railys arent about the height their about the speed and power and how high ur getting ur board, earn to use ur pop for height and do not send it otherwise urll just develop bad habbits, its all about speed with the kite low
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
9 Sep 2007 6:25pm
Blair Bear are you familiar with sarcasm. If not check wikipedia or something. Also Havox watched you try a few yesterday, hold that edge and load it up more and keep that kite still your bringing it up to catch yourself. Also don't crash straight upwind of me.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
carbine carbine
WA, 1450 posts
9 Sep 2007 10:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by Charl dv

while i was on holiday i was looking for cable parks and on one of the websites i found a interesting article about 2 riders getting their speed measured during a raily.

the results were that if you go in fast, and ur edge and release is fast u get a lower but faster and more intence raily.

if u progressively build your edge and release a bit later then you get alot more height.

after reading that i tried edging up slower to get more height and it works quite well, but if u want fast n hard railies edge n pop faster


its a bit different on cable because u actually load up the cable between the corners like an elastic rubber band.

I would say kiting is closer to throwing air (moves thrown in the flat without the wake) moves behind a boat. (although its like having your kite on the water)

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
kitecrazzzy kitecrazzzy
WA, 2184 posts
10 Sep 2007 5:23pm
holly crap, how did this get 8892 reads??
blair bear
blair bear
12 posts
blair bear blair bear
12 posts
10 Sep 2007 5:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Also Havox watched you try a few yesterday, hold that edge and load it up more and keep that kite still your bringing it up to catch yourself. Also don't crash straight upwind of me.


are u sure youve got the right blair? and with people here saying they send the kite a ltitle bit on take off, it wudnt surprise me if they think it gives them style points, u cant exactly read their expression over a forum
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
carbine carbine
WA, 1450 posts
10 Sep 2007 7:18pm
your mum is a style point
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
Charl dv Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
10 Sep 2007 11:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Charl dv

while i was on holiday i was looking for cable parks and on one of the websites i found a interesting article about 2 riders getting their speed measured during a raily.

the results were that if you go in fast, and ur edge and release is fast u get a lower but faster and more intence raily.

if u progressively build your edge and release a bit later then you get alot more height.

after reading that i tried edging up slower to get more height and it works quite well, but if u want fast n hard railies edge n pop faster


its a bit different on cable because u actually load up the cable between the corners like an elastic rubber band.

I would say kiting is closer to throwing air (moves thrown in the flat without the wake) moves behind a boat. (although its like having your kite on the water)




this was done in a cable park, so you are also using pop in flat water against a cable being pulled along at 45 degrees to the water. so in fact the statement i made is quite relevant.

i know behind a boat you use wake to get air... im not stupid enough to compare kiting and wakeboarding behind a boat. well atleast i dont think i am
t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
t o b y t o b y
WA, 530 posts
11 Sep 2007 12:14am
umm having ridden cable dude its completely ****ing different to kiting. The whole cable line actually gets loaded up like the string in a bow and arrow.

The angle of the rope and whether it goes slack in the air changes depending on where u are under the cable aswell. You throw far out on the cable its fast and low coz the angle of the cable is lower and u ride faster. Under the cable is u get more height and its slower because u have less speed and the angle is higher.

"I know behind a boat you use wake to get air... "

he is talking about getting pop in the flats outside of the wake. You dont need wake. This is usually done with alot faster edge progression eg like kiting.


Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
Charl dv Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
11 Sep 2007 9:42am
ok then toby.. like i said i read it in an article.. and i assumed the cable would be similar to the kite as you just load and pop.. i mean u build tension in the kite lines before releasing edge?

anyway cable parks are irrelevant here. i just personally found that what the site said was true as i was getting alot more height but less intensity when i tried a more progressive load up. dont loose ur bits over it
havox
havox
WA
148 posts
havox havox
WA, 148 posts
11 Sep 2007 2:01pm
urggh that day frustrated me had a **** day sorry monkey missjudged a few and got in peoples way . but who was the guy on the blue i think it was a rrd kiting with you? also im finding it hard to really load up when im unhooked it seems to rip me off my edge a lot quicker.. any tips?
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
sorse sorse
NSW, 509 posts
11 Sep 2007 6:00pm
check your stance as mot peolpe let there bum sink a bit and their arms out without realising it.. This in effect means your not able to load as much.. Make sure you keep those arms firm and your hips/ pelvis up. practise make s perfect
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
11 Sep 2007 6:59pm
quote:
Originally posted by havox

urggh that day frustrated me had a **** day sorry monkey missjudged a few and got in peoples way . but who was the guy on the blue i think it was a rrd kiting with you? also im finding it hard to really load up when im unhooked it seems to rip me off my edge a lot quicker.. any tips?


Blue Royal Era, was Brad A.K.A kiteboy. Tips for your problem is to bear downwind a tiny bit before you load up (just after you unhook). This should sit the kite back in the power zone a little, then make sure you got speed, regain a tiny bt of an edge. Practise will help you judge, you will feel the kite really want to surge forward this is when you crank the edge hard up wind only to release at the peak of the power. With railey you will kind of want to flick your legs up without thrwoing you weight forward (which would release the power). Its better to get the feel and just belly flop into the water cause you didnt get enough height than trying to use the kite.

The main problem with using the kite is that your most likely not releasing your edge properly (i.e your throwing your weight forward). Keep the kite lowish and still and really focus on loading and releasing that edge throwing your weight sorta backwards to keep the power in the kite. Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo really.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
sunseeker sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
14 Sep 2007 3:35pm
Makes a nice still shot. I didn't think the style was too bad on the first actually...
kitecrazzy
kitecrazzy
WA
77 posts
kitecrazzy kitecrazzy
WA, 77 posts
16 Sep 2007 12:30pm
just time your pop with when you are getting riped off your edge and make sure you focus on hight with the kite low, when you land you should have a second or two to get hooked in again and depower.*

*this isnt how you do it for style but when learning them its fine

despite the "low is pro" remarks it makes raileys easyer as it forces you to do them right, also if you time it for when you get hit by a gust its the funnest stack you will ever have due to the whole uncontrollable flying thought he air faster than the kite is moving away from you. if you want to experience that come down to peli, we have heaps of unexpected gusts.
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
sorse sorse
NSW, 509 posts
16 Sep 2007 3:16pm
Was watching the newest dvd with dre on it amazing he is very cool and very stylish. the man to look up to.. note his kite ostion on take off, yes take off on alot of tricks it's at 60 even sometimes higher particularly if off surf kickers, look at his landing kite is usually lower then on take off.
Style isn't about kite height. speed, smoothness of riding are what really give you style. I've seen gys do tricks with the kite super low off waves they come down so hard they almost stop, deosn't look smooth at all. Yet when they do them with the kite a little higher they land faster and smoother, which looks far better.
Kite low style ??? It's not the height of the kite, it's the smooth flow that's the go.. style word sorse spoken :-)
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