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vwpete
vwpete
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
7 Nov 2012 12:26pm
Really! I think I am done!

I went out for a kite on Monday, was a bit gusty but should still have been a good time messing about in the decent swell. I did not really get to enjoy myself very much as I kept seeing sharks everywhere and body dragging for my board put me in a near panick (i do kite alone).

I ended my sess after only an hour and sat and pondered the situation, I know there was no shark, it was just weed or a cormorant, we have had a fair bit of shark activity in WA but really I should just get on with it and stop letting this stuff get in my head.

And maybe I was getting my head around it, but nooooooo

Fastforward to 8am this morning, I look out over the sea not more than 10m from shore, a bastard 1 to 1.5m shark jumps clear out the water. Now I am not saying it was a great white or whatever, I have no idea, but REALLY! I don't think I can deal with this anymore.

Am I alone? (hallshead Mandurah)
wishy
wishy
WA
1501 posts
WA, 1501 posts
7 Nov 2012 12:35pm
Yep,
I am moving away in December.
Not interested in these shark infested waters anymore.
Noone here can even come close to challenging me in a boost off anyway..
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
7 Nov 2012 12:43pm
vwpete said...

Really! I think I am done!

Am I alone? (hallshead Mandurah)



Pete, the answer to this question, maybe try rsvp.com.au or eharmony.com.au.

Seabreeze is notoriously bad as a pick up site...
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
7 Nov 2012 12:49pm
It's funny you should say that because I spoke with a few sharks yesterday and they were all like, "I keep seeing all of these fat, pasty, knobheads crowding my habitat. They are swimming, spearing, kiting, kayaking, and surfing right where I eat seals and they look so bloody similar. Not to mention the fact that they've trolled up all the fish, they constantly dump sewage and chemical fertilizer around the joint ****ing up my whole habitat and therefore life/food chain/reproductive cycle/future of my offspring. They flock to my dinner table and then complain if I even get close for a look. They have bloody helicopters looking for us and bogans on boats looking to shoot us if we manage to make it to adult size. Not to mention the bloody fisherman who drag berley bags full of delicious stuff everywhere and then act surprised when we check it out. These stupid humans scuba dive in my dining room, carrying off my food and wonder why we get a bit territorial. These insignificant mammals that have only even been around for like 100,000 years think that they have the right to cull us, despite the fact that we have been unchanged by evolution for millions of years because we're just that perfect."

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?

vwpete
vwpete
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
7 Nov 2012 1:44pm
Hey I get the shark story and I was until recently the one saying, “Hey until I see a shark attack someone on the streets of Perth, I don't see a problem?” I also get the many human caused reasons for supporting the increase in attacks.

My point is I am having problems justifying the pursuit of a leisure activity, that I now feel could enable me to become food. I could almost understand a laymen dismissing my actions as stupidity “It's not like he did not know we have sharks!”

Please I don't want this to become a, “what to do” and “why we have sharks” thread, all I am saying is we seem to have more shark activity and as a result my bottle seems to have gone.

The wind has just kicked in and I am NOT going in the water. I really could do with a kite, even just as a bit of fitness, but instead I will go to the gym. I hate the gym!

I am sure the younger crowd will prob not give a toss, but for those who are now old or smart enough to fully appreciate their mortality, please let me know how you are compartmentalising or justifying a kite session?

**Juddy you're a funny man ;) interesting that you know about these websites……….
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
7 Nov 2012 2:00pm
vwpete said...
Hey I get the shark story and I was until recently the one saying, “Hey until I see a shark attack someone on the streets of Perth, I don't see a problem?” I also get the many human caused reasons for supporting the increase in attacks.

My point is I am having problems justifying the pursuit of a leisure activity, that I now feel could enable me to become food. I could almost understand a laymen dismissing my actions as stupidity “It's not like he did not know we have sharks!”

Please I don't want this to become a, “what to do” and “why we have sharks” thread, all I am saying is we seem to have more shark activity and as a result my bottle seems to have gone.

The wind has just kicked in and I am NOT going in the water. I really could do with a kite, even just as a bit of fitness, but instead I will go to the gym. I hate the gym!

I am sure the younger crowd will prob not give a toss, but for those who are now old or smart enough to fully appreciate their mortality, please let me know how you are compartmentalising or justifying a kite session?

**Juddy you're a funny man ;) interesting that you know about these websites……….



Understood. It's in the back of all of our minds at the moment i'm sure. I do hope you work it out though as it would be a shame to give up the sea. Think about it though, you drive to the beach without even thinking about the possibility of being cleaned up by a drunk driver but that happens every day. balance your enjoyment with the odds I guess.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
7 Nov 2012 2:06pm
Its a forum about kite boarding, not a forum bout going to the gym.

Gym stories are boring.

In other news I've managed to sneak in 3 after work kitesurfs in a row over the last 3 afternoons! Yee haw


Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
7 Nov 2012 2:07pm
vwpete said...

**Juddy you're a funny man ;) interesting that you know about these websites……….



Just lookin' out for my kiting brothers & sisters Pete....everyone deserves a bit of loving...even those in Halls Head, Mandurah
allano
allano
WA
188 posts
WA, 188 posts
7 Nov 2012 3:21pm
vwpete said...

Really! I think I am done!

I went out for a kite on Monday, was a bit gusty but should still have been a good time messing about in the decent swell. I did not really get to enjoy myself very much as I kept seeing sharks everywhere and body dragging for my board put me in a near panick (i do kite alone).

And maybe I was getting my head around it, but nooooooo


Hey VW
Dunc and I went out on sunday, grey eery conditions, rain squalls and the wind kept dropping out.....

I am amazed how strong my stomach muscles are holding my big arse out of the water every time the wind dropped off.
Every tack not going too far out... not jumping too high....

I going to sign up to one of Juddy's websites
Beelzebub
Beelzebub
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
7 Nov 2012 4:26pm

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.

fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
7 Nov 2012 7:48pm
ApatheticEnd said...
It's funny you should say that because I spoke with a few sharks yesterday and they were all like, "I keep seeing all of these fat, pasty, knobheads crowding my habitat. They are swimming, spearing, kiting, kayaking, and surfing right where I eat seals and they look so bloody similar. Not to mention the fact that they've trolled up all the fish, they constantly dump sewage and chemical fertilizer around the joint ****ing up my whole habitat and therefore life/food chain/reproductive cycle/future of my offspring. They flock to my dinner table and then complain if I even get close for a look. They have bloody helicopters looking for us and bogans on boats looking to shoot us if we manage to make it to adult size. Not to mention the bloody fisherman who drag berley bags full of delicious stuff everywhere and then act surprised when we check it out. These stupid humans scuba dive in my dining room, carrying off my food and wonder why we get a bit territorial. These insignificant mammals that have only even been around for like 100,000 years think that they have the right to cull us, despite the fact that we have been unchanged by evolution for millions of years because we're just that perfect."

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




they have all the ocean...Just let me play in the 100mt near the beach.
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
7 Nov 2012 5:05pm
Beelzebub said...

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.




Humans poison their own water supply with feces every day. Unchanged by millions of years of evolution = perfect. It'll take people another hundred million to stop ****ting in their drinking water and eating poison and calling it food. People are a far cry from evolved.
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
575 posts
WA, 575 posts
7 Nov 2012 5:29pm
ApatheticEnd said...
Beelzebub said...

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.




Humans poison their own water supply with feces every day. Unchanged by millions of years of evolution = perfect. It'll take people another hundred million to stop ****ting in their drinking water and eating poison and calling it food. People are a far cry from evolved.


Go **** a shark then if you love them so much...
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
7 Nov 2012 5:32pm

Go **** a shark then if you love them so much...


Brilliant. Solid argument. You'll go far.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
7 Nov 2012 6:14pm
Beelzebub said...

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.




What? You are so far off the mark buddy! Cro-magnons are a sub-species of Neanderthal man- an upper paleolithic hominin species - nothing to do with a fish!

Also, mammals evolved from fish - not the other way around, unless you subscribe to the "aquatic ape theory" - even then, that still doesn't explain fish as having evolved from mammalian proto species, its more of a 1960's, half assed, hairy bushed way of explaining bipedal locomotion in hominins.

Your definition of "perfect" explains why you failed high school biology too: an organism is seen as "fit" in its habitat so long as it can gain enough energy to survive, grow and reproduce. Sharks are super awesome at this. So good in fact, that they can even utilise alternative food sources that they encounter in their habitat. Also, the fossil record for shark species shows that millions of years have passed and shark morphology has barely changed. This would suggest that the environmental selection pressures have already weeded out the alleles which give rise to deleterious mutations/ phenotypes.

So we can now all accept that sharks are as close to perfectly evolved (or more so than any other genus known to scientists) and that you Beezlebub can lick my balls.


ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
7 Nov 2012 6:17pm
Chris_M said...
Beelzebub said...

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.




What? You are so far off the mark buddy! Cro-magnons are a sub-species of Neanderthal man- an upper paleolithic hominin species - nothing to do with a fish!

Also, mammals evolved from fish - not the other way around, unless you subscribe to the "aquatic ape theory" - even then, that still doesn't explain fish as having evolved from mammalian proto species, its more of a 1960's, half assed, hairy bushed way of explaining bipedal locomotion in hominins.

Your definition of "perfect" explains why you failed high school biology too: an organism is seen as "fit" in its habitat so long as it can gain enough energy to survive, grow and reproduce. Sharks are super awesome at this. So good in fact, that they can even utilise alternative food sources that they encounter in their habitat. Also, the fossil record for shark species shows that millions of years have passed and shark morphology has barely changed. This would suggest that the environmental selection pressures have already weeded out the alleles which give rise to deleterious mutations/ phenotypes.

So we can now all accept that sharks are as close to perfectly evolved (or more so than any other genus known to scientists) and that you Beezlebub can lick my balls.




FLAWLESS VICTORY

DaylightDebt
DaylightDebt
WA
296 posts
WA, 296 posts
7 Nov 2012 6:39pm
"an organism is seen as "fit" in its habitat so long as it can gain enough energy to survive, grow and reproduce. Sharks are super awesome at this. "

This is an interesting statement and fly's in the face of current thinking.

Are you suggesting that sharks are so super evolved and can reproduce? very handy skill to have by the way!

And they no longer have the ability to evolve? therefore lack the ability to adapt?

If this is the case and you stand by the super shark theory why would they need to be protected from a lesser animal such as a Human.

"So we can now all accept that sharks are as close to perfectly evolved (or more so than any other genus known to scientists) and that you Beezlebub can lick my balls."

I may be biased, however I will put it out there Humans are great! honestly its true!

lots of scientists will probably agree.

If it wasn't for Humans we would not have the ability to debate how great sharks are on this wonderful forum!

Stop hating humans who have an inherent fear of Sharks (which by they way shows a higher level of evolution)






suniboy21
suniboy21
VIC
1090 posts
VIC, 1090 posts
7 Nov 2012 9:50pm
Id rather get eaten by a shark then give up kitesurfing.
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
7 Nov 2012 10:07pm
vwpete said...

Really! I think I am done!

I went out for a kite on Monday, was a bit gusty but should still have been a good time messing about in the decent swell. I did not really get to enjoy myself very much as I kept seeing sharks everywhere and body dragging for my board put me in a near panick (i do kite alone).

I ended my sess after only an hour and sat and pondered the situation, I know there was no shark, it was just weed or a cormorant, we have had a fair bit of shark activity in WA but really I should just get on with it and stop letting this stuff get in my head.

And maybe I was getting my head around it, but nooooooo

Fastforward to 8am this morning, I look out over the sea not more than 10m from shore, a bastard 1 to 1.5m shark jumps clear out the water. Now I am not saying it was a great white or whatever, I have no idea, but REALLY! I don't think I can deal with this anymore.

Am I alone? (hallshead Mandurah)



its the ones that you don't see
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
7 Nov 2012 7:14pm
Id rather read this thread than get eaten by a shark. eat my balls
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
7 Nov 2012 10:29pm
Beelzebub said...

Oh ****, sharks are making you nervous? how do you think they would view the situation?




Their cro-magnon brains view the situation as: Food! Me hungry! And that is a far cry from what you see as "perfect", considering they cannot even wipe their own asses and are reduced to defecating in their own "habitat".
By the way, while sharks have done nothing but kill for the last 15 million years, in 100,000 years those "stupid" mammals have evolved from monkeys to determine the the origin, history and future of the universe. That is something that warrants genuine respect.






you're none too bright are you beelzebub
Dl33ta
Dl33ta
TAS
463 posts
TAS, 463 posts
7 Nov 2012 10:57pm
Anyone using Shark Shields while they kite over there?
Drewm
Drewm
VIC
159 posts
VIC, 159 posts
7 Nov 2012 11:00pm
why you were all debating whether this shark would eat you or not, we sat on the beach and drank half a dozen cold ones (due to injury) while watching 20-30 people ENJOY THEMSELVES on the water like they have every other day and not get eaten.

Forum old guys with nothing else to do - 0
Everybody else - 1
bobajob
bobajob
QLD
1535 posts
QLD, 1535 posts
7 Nov 2012 10:03pm
suniboy21 said...
Id rather get eaten by a shark then give up kitesurfing.


Me too!! I won't let death by shark get in my way kite boarding. You don't hear the FNQ or NT guys crying about crocks
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
7 Nov 2012 8:25pm
bobajob said...
suniboy21 said...
Id rather get eaten by a shark then give up kitesurfing.


Me too!! I won't let death by shark get in my way kite boarding. You don't hear the FNQ or NT guys crying about crocks


most guys up there wear thongs, double pluggers, they dont wear crocs. They have the choice.I love shark, beer battered with chips.
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
WA, 516 posts
7 Nov 2012 9:31pm
Mmmmm shark battered with chips
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
7 Nov 2012 10:20pm
bobajob said...
suniboy21 said...
Id rather get eaten by a shark then give up kitesurfing.


Me too!! I won't let death by shark get in my way kite boarding. You don't hear the FNQ or NT guys crying about crocks


There has never been 5 fatalities in less than a year and almost daily sightings at popular spots at FNQ or NT like there is over here.

I won't let the threat of a shark attack stop me from kiting either but I think it probably is one of the reasons for me doing more SUPing than surfing, I feel a little bit safer standing on a bigger board with a better view and with a paddle in my hand.....even if I am not.
vwpete
vwpete
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
7 Nov 2012 11:03pm
Drewm said...
why you were all debating whether this shark would eat you or not, we sat on the beach and drank half a dozen cold ones (due to injury) while watching 20-30 people ENJOY THEMSELVES on the water like they have every other day and not get eaten.

Forum old guys with nothing else to do - 0
Everybody else - 1



Thanx and well put, maybe i need to go kite with other people, trust me i have other things to do, maybe i am just getting all EMO in me old age . BTW this injury, its not shark related is it?
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
8 Nov 2012 3:45am
DaylightDebt said...
"an organism is seen as "fit" in its habitat so long as it can gain enough energy to survive, grow and reproduce. Sharks are super awesome at this. "

This is an interesting statement and fly's in the face of current thinking.

Are you suggesting that sharks are so super evolved and can reproduce? very handy skill to have by the way!

And they no longer have the ability to evolve? therefore lack the ability to adapt?

If this is the case and you stand by the super shark theory why would they need to be protected from a lesser animal such as a Human.

"So we can now all accept that sharks are as close to perfectly evolved (or more so than any other genus known to scientists) and that you Beezlebub can lick my balls."

I may be biased, however I will put it out there Humans are great! honestly its true!

lots of scientists will probably agree.

If it wasn't for Humans we would not have the ability to debate how great sharks are on this wonderful forum!

Stop hating humans who have an inherent fear of Sharks (which by they way shows a higher level of evolution)









The evidence suggests: Sharks are perfectly evolved for marine habitation (before and human induced changes such as mean water temperature and dissolved CO2 concentrations) were present. The sharks are also showing adaptability (because they eat outside of their preffered dite/ niche).

Also strongly supported by most scientists: The 6th mass extinction event is currently happening, and it is attributed solely to human activity/ pollution etc.

For you simple folk: Humans have stuffed up oceans (overfishing, pollution from agriculture and industry, burning of fossil fuels makes the ocean acidic), now they not very good for sea creatures to live. The sharks still need to eat. They prefer snapper or seals, but eating a fat human still fills their tummies. Sometimes they get so hungry they will also eat number plates, bicycle frames and mooring buoys, but they probably do not taste very nice to them.

pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
8 Nov 2012 7:49am
Hey VW Pete,
try "gasp" straps or "shock horror" a leash, and you won't be part of the soup for those scary wary body drags much longer than it'd take to bait a shark hook m8!
DaylightDebt
DaylightDebt
WA
296 posts
WA, 296 posts
8 Nov 2012 6:47am
Chris_M said...
DaylightDebt said...
"an organism is seen as "fit" in its habitat so long as it can gain enough energy to survive, grow and reproduce. Sharks are super awesome at this. "

This is an interesting statement and fly's in the face of current thinking.

Are you suggesting that sharks are so super evolved and can reproduce? very handy skill to have by the way!

And they no longer have the ability to evolve? therefore lack the ability to adapt?

If this is the case and you stand by the super shark theory why would they need to be protected from a lesser animal such as a Human.

"So we can now all accept that sharks are as close to perfectly evolved (or more so than any other genus known to scientists) and that you Beezlebub can lick my balls."

I may be biased, however I will put it out there Humans are great! honestly its true!

lots of scientists will probably agree.

If it wasn't for Humans we would not have the ability to debate how great sharks are on this wonderful forum!

Stop hating humans who have an inherent fear of Sharks (which by they way shows a higher level of evolution)









The evidence suggests: Sharks are perfectly evolved for marine habitation (before and human induced changes such as mean water temperature and dissolved CO2 concentrations) were present. The sharks are also showing adaptability (because they eat outside of their preffered dite/ niche).

Also strongly supported by most scientists: The 6th mass extinction event is currently happening, and it is attributed solely to human activity/ pollution etc.

For you simple folk: Humans have stuffed up oceans (overfishing, pollution from agriculture and industry, burning of fossil fuels makes the ocean acidic), now they not very good for sea creatures to live. The sharks still need to eat. They prefer snapper or seals, but eating a fat human still fills their tummies. Sometimes they get so hungry they will also eat number plates, bicycle frames and mooring buoys, but they probably do not taste very nice to them.



Still the question remains unanswered. Sharks are good but very limited. This is a fact. Us simple humans have the ability to adapt to environments that are not natural to us eg the ocean and space. To my simple brain this is impressive.,

Just because a shark can reproduce and eat and has an inabilty to further adapt to its in environment dosent give it "super evolved powers" even the the most stupid humans can do this unprotected.
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